I think that's what's called the forth dimension, and human's cannot perceive it.
But, i will take a shot and say that there's a couple giant spinning orb's being juggled precariously by some being. (yes, i know, i got that from somewhere. )

Yes. Well said. That abstraction does not have to be your friend upstairs or even a conscious being.. it is simply "the cause" "the maker" or "favorable conditions" for something to occurr. If I wanted to mess with Travis's mind I'd say "the Reason"

To indicate the end of our understanding, we paint a god onto our map in the same way cartographers used to draw Poseidon into the "terra incognita" part of their maps. Might as well paint a few dragons and mermaids in there too.

Now that the oceans are charted, nobody takes Poseidon seriously anymore. Same with gods of fire, wind, sun, volcanoes, etc. It will be a long time (what with all these confusing things like "quantum foam" and particles mysteriously appearing/disappearing) before the origin of the universe is so well charted that the god(s) that created it are no longer seen as such.

***Physics guys please correct me if I am wrong***
It may be that the state of complete *nothing* (no space, matter, energy or time) is inherently unstable, so those four things exist together, dependant on each other, for brief periods. I think that is what scientists are beginning to see in the quantum foam.. short-lived, miniscule but highly likely universes that are so small they are inconsequential to "our" universe, but they do spontaneously appear.

Is not the size and duration of a universe a matter of probability? So with enough "tries" like the ones we see in the labs already, there came a universe that is big enough and is lasting long enough to harbor intelligent life that ponders its own existence.. the one we know and live in. In that way the universe is self-generated and "wants" to be.. not out of desire or will of a creator.. probably just probability.

Tarts: "I think that's what's called the forth dimension, and human's cannot perceive it.
But, i will take a shot and say that there's a couple giant spinning orb's being juggled precariously by some being. (yes, i know, i got that from somewhere. )"

the forth dimension is time - nothing special there...space curved up into it - just like the surface of Earth (wich is bi-dimensional curved into third) only in one more dimension....

That's beyond my scope. Do we have a word for what's beyond the universe? It's alway's been my personal opinion that it's finite...

it's as infinite as the surface of earth is - there's no "edge", but there might be something to contain it - "multiverse"...but i never liked the idea, because it doesn't solve anything...the question "what's it in" remains...

Mabey finite isn't the right word, i've alway's heard that, "the big bang", the universe expanded, and one day it will colapse in on it self. But to say it's expanding sound's a lot like an edge to me, like a bubble being filled with air...(mabey i shouldn't believe everything i read)

it it it is something like that, BUT it's in 4 dimensions it looks like a bubble - in three it's just infinite...going in a straight line long enough and you get back to where you started from...

Why? The question of "what is the universe in" does not make sense. It has to be that the universe is completely self-contained, dimensions and all. Our brains are simply not wired to accept a "thing" without imagining it as "in" something.. i.e. we automatically make up another 3 dimensions so that we can imagine the universe as a bubble "in" something. Which forces us to waffle on our definition of "universe" since now we have to include our new, containing dimensions (meta-space or what have you) as part of "all that is" and therefore part of the universe. ..but oh NO, now the container needs a container! And so on.. ad infinitum. The question of "was the universe made?" similarly does not make sense, unless you make up separate definitions for our universe and God's universe.

i said i don't like that theory (about multiverse) 'cause it's only trying to resolve 'what is it in' question (not succeding). i also said couple pf posts before that i consider universe infinite, BUT not excluding the option that there's nothing else but our universe (100 years ago Earth was the only universe to humanity - then they invented aeroplane)

Thanks for your reply Nechos.. agreed that the multiverse theory is pretty useless. I may have to eat my words one day, but it seems that other universes not contained in our own will never be detectable. Any signal we send out with our 3-dimensional probes will eventually curve around and hit us on the back of the head (so to speak) and any type of "listening" we do would just be of the other side of our own universe.. the invention that gets us around that may be a little more sophisticated than an airplane.. but who am I to say what's possible.. Take us out, scotty!

when wright brothers tried to get their "airplane" fly, people were laughing to them - they were saying man would never fly - and check it out now - we went to ANOTHER WORLD (i mean moon).
i think there's a great possibility someone will "fly" out of our universe. and someone else would get back,too probably in a couple of centuries, but...

Ha ha. Anyone signed the guestbook? It's class. And I've also realised that PionexUser has been taking me for a ride Well done, you had me going...

heh heh


Oh, I should have said the "prayerbook"

Everybody has to start somewhere. Long time no see! How are you? How's the world of numbers?

I can't believe a Christian organization would publish such hogwash. This is obviouly someones complete misinterpetation of facts and literature. First of all the once bitten apple thing, it says nowhere in the bible that the forbidden fruit is an apple. Secondly, the name Darwin is not limited to the theology of Dawinism. Many OS's are called by a name simply to make it's identity easier. Thirdly, the Daemon is not just used in MAC OS. Any OS based on UNIX has daemons running. Does this mean ALL UNIX is evil. Try again. And as you can see the writer of this artical is biased against "the beetnic / log hair hippies" as he called them and thinks they write evil s/w. Please, as a christian, I can see the obserdity of this artical and hope that even a non christian could see it as well, since it mocks our intellegence.

two things....


1. it's spelled absurdity.
2. Religion is not based on logic, why look for logic in it's followers? It is what it is. On the other hand, that site looks like a spoof, but it is REALLY hard to tell nowadays.