Do I let the arbitrary rule of a large private corporation dictate what is legal or illegal? No. I follow the laws of *my* country, not Microsoft's laws. If I am allowed by law to make a personal backup of some software and Microsoft's (or any other company's) technology prevents me from doing it, I would hack it even though it might be a technical breach of contract. I might even considering suing the company in a consumer court if I thought it was worth fighting for.

Not all EULAs are legally valid. I know that much of law to know that just because you click (or are forced to click) on the "I agree" button it doesn't make a contract valid by law. To all consumers I suggest that rather than blindly accepting any EULA, you should check out its validity according to the law of *your* country...

edit: deleted double post. connection problems. whoops

Let's not discuss Mod Chipping on LQ please. By all means dislike the EULA and Microsoft's business practices, but I believe that chipping is illegal in the US and that is where LQ is based. As such, LQ is bound by the laws of the US and so we don't want talk of illegal activity here.

If you need to discuss this further, please contact me offline.

Edit: Er.. xavierp didn't you mean to post in the other thread about modchips?
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d.php?t=326451

what the hell are u talking abou there was no iligale activity mentioned in my post i was simply statihat mod chips are nmto ileigle thay are only used for ileigle purposes (kind of like guns arent ileigle just what people do w/ them)your complaining about somthing that isent even worth complaing about its not like i was telling them to bootleg games as far as im concerned do what ever u wish u bought it its ure thay made there loot its no longer there buisness what u do w/ it (as long as its not for pirecy)

not ileigle less u use it for the wrong purposes just like adding a dvd rom and ripping program to ure pc is that illigle??? the answer no because it allows u to back up your ALREADY OWNED movies that u dont want destroyed it is at user of the chiped consoles discression if its used for illeigle purposes or not (im from the us)

http://www.digg.com/gaming/Xbox_Mod_...Mean_Jail_Time Ta Daaaaa!!!

If you don't like the terms of the EULA, don't buy the product. And the whole "I'm not in the US" is entirely irrelevant - the LQ servers are and any action would be taken first against Jeremy and LQ.

And capital letters have been around for many many years now, please use them.

sounds to me like it kan be perfectly legal from the link u gave me its just an argument that people are constently arguing about and no one cares because like me once i pay for somthing it is mine and i will do what ever i damn well wish w/ it be it run it over w/ a car or turn it into a computer it also sounds as if these ppl were selling modded consoles to DELIBERITLY go around a copyright protection and selling the consoles to others with installed games on the hdd none of the modchips on the market support this BIOS on the chip unless u flash it to the chip there fore making you responsible for the illigitimate purpose of the actual mod chip
http://www.techweb.com/showArticle.j...leID=175006789
and thus i will stand by my word that moding a console is not ileigle just how you use it is

Regardless, and despite the General forum having slightly freer rules than the others, I will say that discussion of Xbox modding has no place here.

And there's a spell check button under the text entry box.

If you don't want MS to have your money, don't buy one. Get a PS or something.

yea i mean we in america paid the taxes that went to the pentagon nassa and universities for inventing computers and all computer software in the first place. but then they just take it from us and give it to corporations and we either pay or get nothing....

I should have 3 cruise missiles and a huge power station to call my own plus a computer if i get value for tax money.

Thats all war is yes -- all it has ever been -- money

they used to say germany could invade us like you couldn't stop them cold with one load of regrigerators dumped into every sea dock. Now some new dude is the lattest excuse to steal all the money.

Well if you want to get something and don't want to pay for it or have the company(or anyone for that matter) profit in anyway whatsoever theres always the obvious solution...


StEpp Away from your triviaL desires and thInk abouT how you can eNjoy yOur life Without materialistic things.

What is trivial to one, might be very important to another. What gives you the right judge someone like that?

Well its his choice to make. I was just making some important highlights.

Which is more important?

His moral compass? Or a video game console thats about to become obsolete in the next few years?

You see, trivial.

The contribution he would've made to microsoft(if any) by buying the console, also trivial. Even indirect comparison to the console itself. Which is also trivial.

But what really matters, is the feeling inside. The bitter pill you have to swallow. Everytime you grab a controller. Everytime you load a disc in the tray. The twisted feeling you get everytime you feed the snake. The Micropoison. It always be with you. It'll never go away. Bill Gates will laugh an evil laugh and it'll haunt you forever in your dreams.

On the bright side you do get one kick-ass console! Oh man. Console graphics never looked spretty. And whats that there? An upgradable harddrive? I can put an operating system on it! Omg. Its fully functional computer now. With 4 USB ports! Holy moly! I wonder if could hook up a usb tv tuner to it too while I'm at it?! Step aside, TIVO!