That's just brilliant! I wish religion wouldn't win votes. When Tony Blair was questioned about his religious beliefs, his spokesman interrupted saying 'We don't do god.'
As far as I'm concerned, no country should be allowed to develop WMD (including those so called 'responsible' countries - are there any?). Unfortunately, I can't see the world's superpowers suddenly saying "Actually, you know what, sod it, we don't need those nuclear bombs, gases, etc. let's destroy them, sit down, have a cup of tea and chat about our countries' secret plans and complexes."
...So the problem remains and no wonder that some other countries are secretly working on wmd: If you've got a bomb, I want to have one as well - and FYI my bomb will be bigger than yours.

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Nuclear weapons exist and will continue to exist.

Talk of eliminating them is just foolish; the side that disarms first is the side that will be taken out. Talk to Israel about that one.

Also, this talk of eliminating nukes completely ignores the reason we built them in the first place. Not only are they very effective weapons - the mere threat of their use held the Soviet Union off for over 50 years - but they are dirt cheap.

We built our nuclear deterrent force specifically because it was so very much cheaper than building and maintaining the conventional force levels that would have been required if we had not relied on nukes.

The world is no less dangerous now than it was 50 years ago, and it is probably less predictable now than it was then. If we want to get rid of nukes, we need to be prepared to increase our defense budget by a huge margin.

Rather than talking about the naive and foolish idea of eliminating nukes, we need to talk about the ability to defend against them.

I was [edit: obviously I meant: NOT] seriously suggesting eliminating nukes. It's too late. Nobody is going to disarm. In today's world it would be tantamount to committing a suicide. I just don't like the direction it's heading. How are we going to defend against them? We will build more and more sophisticated anti-nuke defence systems, which, in turn, will entail building more and more sophisticated wmd and so on and so forth until one day a cleaner lady will push a little red button and the other side will not believe that it was an accident...


W.Allen

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Rupert Murdoch joins the Council on Foreign Affairs (in New York) and starts promoting Hillary as his new puppet, er, associate.

We better get back to discussing Al Qaeda pirates before some realizes what's really going on here.

Tony Blair turned around on that subject recently. It was in the news, anyway, for what that's worth.

Duh ... why do you think Saddam got hanged???

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Saddam wasn't charged with any crimes against humanity. He was executed for purely political reasons.

At one point GWB was summoned to The Hague for crimes against humanity, he obviously is above the law, so he refused.

Saddam was hanged probably to keep him from talking ...

The Hague? That's not run by Shiites is it? Good thing the Kurds and Armenians don't have anything to say about genocide. That would just ruin everything for the propaganda machine.

Kill 300,000 Kurds, not a crime against humanity (because our "friends" in Turkey like killing them too). Kill 150 Shiites who were trying to assassinate you, you're Hitler reincarnated.

If the propaganda machine says so...

Yeah, as I said before "crimes against humanity" is a BS term used by governments against whoever they don't like. The real crimes are overlooked, covered up, forgotten. The real crimes are often done by those who come up with these terms, they're the ones trying to cover it up.

Right and wrong certainly has nothing to do with it. Turkey has "strategic importance" so they can kill whomever they like.

I wonder, is there a site with a list of lies the government has told ... or rather it should be a list of truths as it would be astronomically shorter.

"The government doesn't lie, it engages in disinformation." --George Carlin

If Obama was Pinocchio his nose would have reached to the UK by now.