They are in consideration of Red Hat's motivations, and Red Hat's pattern of behavior.

Why was udev incorporated into systemd? Could it be so that it would be more difficult for other distros to reject systemd? It might be something to think about.

Systemd was sold as an init replacement, but it has become *way* more than that. Why? Why must everything be hardwired to systemd? It looks a little suspicious.


Possibly, but given Red Hat's motivation, and pattern of behavior, some of these "what ifs" may not be that far fetched.

I would love to have somebody post something reasonable, and assuage my concerns. But I seem to be getting more violent hissy fits than anything else.

You make it seem like Red Hat is trying to make it easier for the people running the data centers. Ironically, those people - the sysamdins - seem to be the people are most opposed to systemd.

Poettering seems to have outright contempt for sysamdins, especially the "UNIX grey beards."

Also, it seem that Red Hat is trying to create a system that is more optimized for desktops, if not tablets, than servers. Poettering does not seem to understand servers at all.

When I look at this from Red Hat's perspective, I see very strong incentive to have a monopoly like control over Linux. Without that sort of control, businesses could just use CentOS, and hire some 3rd party support. This could potentially put Red Hat out of business.

When I look at all the pieces of the puzzle, it looks like Linux is, essentially, becoming Windows.

[QUOTE=gapan;5303676]Then you understand wrong. Unless Slackware moves to systemd of course...[/QUOTE

I'll take the blame on that misunderstanding because of this thread.

http://forum.salixos.org/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6374

As was so kindly pointed out by JWJones.

Hahaha, cross-forum contamination!

Seriously though, walterbyrd, I get where you are coming from, but I just don't think this is all worth getting all bunched-up about. Either stick it out with a systemd-free distro such as Slackware, Gentoo, or CRUX, or come on over to the BSD side. And I say this as a Slackware subscriber. At the end of the day, is any of this worth losing any sleep over? I firmly believe there will always be options for those that wish to avoid the current course of Linux.

While I agree with much of your post that I snipped, I do take issue with the above.
1) Linux is NOT any one thing and that includes "a business system".
2) It began as a HOBBY system of, by and for programmers.
3) It also began as a community developed system

Corporations will kill the goose that laid the golden egg, as they so often do. We are seeing the "strip mining" of software and community be damned and devil take the hindmost.

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