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Old 01-26-2015, 07:05 PM   #31
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I agree. Humans program machines, so saying that machines are better than humans is illogical. Indeed machines are only good at repetitive tasks which would make humans very bored anyway. However, a human can assemble a car at higher precision than a machine, actually. It is just faster and cheaper to do it with a machine. I also don't think that machines can cope with exceptions very well simply because they have to be programmed in, and as programmers know this is not possible. You can't think of every exception.
Are you better than a machine at multiplying two 1024-bit numbers together? How about knowing your exact location from *anywhere* in the world? Clearly there's things computers are more suited to, even if ultimately humans program them.

99% of the time, Driving *is* a repetitive task, and that's where the trouble lies. Humans stop paying full attention to the road and their surroundings. Humans are incredibly risk-tolerant when under the belief they have control and don't practice defensive driving. Self-driving vehicles are programmed to drive defensively, have better reaction time when "unexpected" things do happen, and can't get distracted. Computers don't drive drunk.

Believing that humans can do better is hubris. More than enough evidence has already accumulated through the ridiculous amount of deaths each year caused by human error. Self-driving vehicles won't eliminate all deaths and injuries, but I'm confident that it'll be way better than the status quo.
 
Old 01-27-2015, 02:20 AM   #32
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Can u be more specific ?
 
Old 01-27-2015, 10:35 AM   #33
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Believing that humans can do better is hubris. More than enough evidence has already accumulated through the ridiculous amount of deaths each year caused by human error. Self-driving vehicles won't eliminate all deaths and injuries, but I'm confident that it'll be way better than the status quo.
That's a very superficial analysis and attempt to solve the problem without understanding it. I would take the problem on a more individual basis, see which groups of drivers make more mistakes and cause more accidents and work on solving that. They can be taught how to drive better, and if they cannot only then would I choose other methods such as public transport or a self driving car.
 
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That's a very superficial analysis and attempt to solve the problem without understanding it. I would take the problem on a more individual basis, see which groups of drivers make more mistakes and cause more accidents and work on solving that. They can be taught how to drive better, and if they cannot only then would I choose other methods such as public transport or a self driving car.
Those systems are *already in place*. They only trigger after something bad has already happened, and aren't really that effective. They only improve *one* human, maybe. Humans are prone to fall back into previous dangerous habits. If something bad happens with a self-driver, improvements made to the self-driving algorithm apply to entire fleet.

The fundamental problem is that humans in general are very bad at "controlling" a heavy pile of metal going at high speed. The best solution is to optimize the human out of the problem, not to stay in denial.
 
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I don't like this treating humans as a herd mentality. I know a lot of people believe in it, but I don't. I'm not part of the herd, and don't want to be affected by the fences that you build.
 
  


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