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Old 02-22-2024, 11:08 AM   #196
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You seem like a reasonable voter and probably not part of the MAGA horde. Will you vote for Trump if he's convicted on one of his criminal indictments?
Side-stepping my question I see. Conviction is only the first step - appeals take years and people are often cleared. I will be voting for the Republican candidate whomever that may be.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 11:10 AM   #197
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Adding 0.7 seven percentage points to reach the two per cent mark this year would mean an extra $20 billion in spending. And that would come as Canada already faces a $40-billion deficit." https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gdp-n...nada-1.6912028
Canada is unlikely to reach the spending target that's demanded by Trump.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 11:14 AM   #198
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I will be voting for the Republican candidate whomever that may be.
I answered your question. And you answered mine. You are fully prepared to vote for a convicted felon(if he's convicted). Is there a conviction that could sway your vote? For example, what if Jack Smith proves that Trump passed along state secrets to an enemy of the USA?
 
Old 02-22-2024, 11:26 AM   #199
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It really is no longer just about Mr. Trump in my view. Whether real or just lip service sales hype, the percentage of Republican Party has abandoned all but pretense of actual Conservative values and agendas. They literally should be seen instead as The Anti Democrats Party. More than anything else they seek to block any legislation that is either proposed by or makes any whom they view as "Libtards" look good, even on bills that are near clones of previously introduced Republican bills. This is not "America First" unless you're thinking of its initiation back when Lindberg spouted his nasty Fascist propaganda.

I think the modern Republican Party needs a clear message this is not what voters in large actually desire. We want a system that works and "a house divided...."
 
Old 02-22-2024, 11:36 AM   #200
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I answered your question. And you answered mine. You are fully prepared to vote for a convicted felon(if he's convicted). Is there a conviction that could sway your vote? For example, what if Jack Smith proves that Trump passed along state secrets to an enemy of the USA?
You are just playing in fantasy land now. The odds of Smith convening a grand jury that brings charges against Trump and Trump being found guilty of deliberate violations of the Espionage Act to aid a foreign adversary before Nov. are exceedingly small.

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Old 02-22-2024, 11:43 AM   #201
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You are just playing in fantasy land now. The odds of Smith convening a grand jury that brings charges against Trump and Trump being found guilty of deliberate violations of the Espionage Act to aid a foreign adversary before Nov. are exceedingly small.
We will see. He's going to be convicted in the hush money trial that is upcoming. You side-stepped my question. You're perfectly prepared to vote for Trump no matter what he's convicted of?
 
Old 02-22-2024, 11:54 AM   #202
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We will see. He's going to be convicted in the hush money trial that is upcoming. You side-stepped my question. You're perfectly prepared to vote for Trump no matter what he's convicted of?
I haven't side-stepped anything. I answered your question in the posts above: "I will be voting for the Republican candidate whomever that may be." You can deal in hypotheticals if you like but that doesn't mean that I am required to do so. You should spend more time worrying about your free-loading government than mine, lol.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 12:03 PM   #203
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I haven't side-stepped anything. I answered your question in the posts above: "I will be voting for the Republican candidate whomever that may be." You can deal in hypotheticals if you like but that doesn't mean that I am required to do so. You should spend more time worrying about your free-loading government than mine, lol.
True. Asked and answered. I respect your right to vote for a convicted felon. Unbelievable! In other words, party before principles. You'll vote for the GOP no matter what.

For the record I have never voted for our current PM; he's corrupt. However, he's good at campaigning and is likely to get re-elected. My party, the NDP, is unlikely to ever form the government.

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Old 02-22-2024, 04:26 PM   #204
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Why focus on Trump when enough of the Republican Party has gone bonkers enough to elect the likes of Green, Boebert and worst of all, Mike Johnson (recently elected Speaker of the House) who is possibly certifiably insane. He is beyond any doubt a Christian Nationalist believing Church and State should NOT be separate and instead be guided and even controlled by the most fundamentalist tenets, such as "The Universe is 6000 years old", human caused climate change is a hoax, dinosaurs walked next to humans (apparently without eating them), and essentially that the Christian Bible is utterly the literal and historical facts with no allegory or metaphor, let alone contradictions (the entirety of Planet Earth was flooded to mountain tops and Noah saved ALL lifeforms on the planet that otherwise would have drowned in the worldwide genocide), at least as he and other fundamentalists interpret the words. He also believes Biblical Creation, as written, should be taught in public schools as Science, actually, above Science.

Here's an example

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"And so, I started praying more about that and the Lord began to wake me up through this three-week process ... now at the time, I assumed the Lord is going to choose a new Moses and, Oh, thank you, Lord you're gonna allow me to be Aaron to Moses."

"Ultimately 13 people ran for the post. And the Lord kept telling me to wait, wait, wait, so I waited, I waited and ... when it came toward the end the Lord said, Now step forward. Me? I'm supposed to be Aaron and the Lord said step forward."

Get it? The man thinks he is New Moses - The Law Giver!

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Old 02-22-2024, 04:46 PM   #205
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He is beyond any doubt a Christian Nationalist believing Church and State should NOT be separate
Things like this aren't going to change any of the opinions you've seen expressed here.

I'd be willing to bet that for at least two of the posters in this thread so far, the union of Church and State is a desired outcome... despite their claims to be Conservative(tm), and despite what the First Amendment says.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 04:57 PM   #206
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Why focus on Trump when enough of the Republican Party has gone bonkers enough to elect the likes of Green, Boebert and worst of all, Mike Johnson (recently elected Speaker of the House) who is possibly certifiably insane.
Trump is the apex crazy one, the orange Jesus of the GOP. Whatever rubbish he spews the rest of his clown posse gets into lock-step with him. Trump is calling the shots in the house of representatives. A criminal defendant has the most power in the GOP.
This would be laughable if it wasn't terrifying.
 
Old 02-22-2024, 05:12 PM   #207
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Why, because people like David Barton and Lenard Leo who are christian nationalists and theocrats. That want the US to become a theocracy and that Christians should control the government. Trump is their puppet.

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Old 02-22-2024, 05:18 PM   #208
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Why, because people like David Barton and Lenard Leo who are christian nationalists and theocrats. That want the US to become a theocracy and that Christians should control the government. Trump is their puppet.
You're not wrong. Trump at his core doesn't believe in anything. Now saddled with hundreds of millions of dollars in legal judgements he is an easy mark for foreign entities and governments who want to own POTUS. He's compromised.
 
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True. Asked and answered. I respect your right to vote for a convicted felon. Unbelievable! In other words, party before principles. You'll vote for the GOP no matter what.

For the record I have never voted for our current PM; he's corrupt. However, he's good at campaigning and is likely to get re-elected. My party, the NDP, is unlikely to ever form the government.
I believe him. The country demands of service members a high standard of honor, ethics, and personal and professional standards. Those who follow the Republican party as a religion, or follow Trump as a messiah, have discarded all standards, all ethics, and all honor.

I have voted for Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and probably some form parties you never heard of because the exist only within a state or in a small number of states. I always voted a mixed ticket, selecting the ones I thought most honest, honorable, and right for that particular job. N ever joined any party. I never voted a straight ticket until the 2008 election (When McCain selected that brainless bimbo form Alaska as running mate!) and the advent of the "tea party" candidates when I started voting to keep such willfull ignorance out of office. I cannot imagine the mentality that would put a party ahead of common sense and national survival! (I can observe the results, but cannot really understand it.) For these people the standards, honor, ethics, law, and truth do not matter: all they care about is that their side "wins".

But this is not a game, this is our country, Democracy, and possibly the survival of the human race.
Clearly many here (including some conservatives) understand that. Clearly the OP and a few others really do not, or do not care.

How sad.
 
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Why, because people like David Barton and Lenard Leo who are christian nationalists and theocrats. That want the US to become a theocracy and that Christians should control the government. Trump is their puppet.
Make no mistake, the GOP leadership, the Christian Nationalists, the NRA, and Trump and his MAGA followers are all ultimately puppets of Putin. Weakening Democracy around the world, destroying NATO, and the destruction of the USA have always been his goals. He found some willing puppets, and some techniques that are working.
 
  


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