Been using FC1 for awhile now, since before FC2 was even out. I tried at one time or another to go to FC2 and FC3, back when I was still new to this. The change to FC2 went pretty well, in fact I don't even remember what make me go back. Going to FC3 was VERY painful though, couldn't get nvidia driver to work, couldn't get synaptic installed, numerous other problems - some I got past and some I did not. In short, I missed FC1 so bad each time that I kept going back...

So, I'm currently running FC1 with 2.4.22-1.2199.nptl. It seems that this is the most recent kernel for this distro....is this correct?

My main question (sorry for wandering around) is simply this: Is there any reason that I should NOT be comfortable just staying with my wonderfully tuned FC1 installation?

Any security issues, etc, that will come in to play at some point? I love testing out new stuff, but I don't want to have to "fix" my entire system after I upgrade. I'm running apache and ssh, have a ton of self-made little "scripts" for automating some of the stuff for the site I'm hosting. I'd just so hate to have any of this not work anymore...the learning curve to get me this far was a slow one...

All opinions greatly appreciated.

Oh, and if somebody knows some magic way to go from FC1 to FC(X) without any hassels whatsoever, I'd love to hear your story!!!!

Thanks!

Jeff

IMO, there is no reason to upgrade a working desktop/server as long as it suits your needs. There are plenty of people who still run RH9 in production environments, and plenty of people who prefer 2.4 over 2.6. However, I do not know how FC1 is handled in terms of security updates.

FC1 and FC2 have now been moved to the fedora legacy team. Whilst they are still in Fedora Legacy, they will continue recieving some security updates like REdhat 9, but at some point soon, they are going to reach their end of life and if you want to keep running them, you are basically on your own with regards to security issues.

I don't see any reason why you should not just switch to FC3. It's rock solid and very smooth. FC1 & 2 are great but FC3 is amazing. I am not once of those guys who get stuuff just because it's the latest and greatest, but FC3 is very very nice.

Bummer. I assume it's always possible for a security issue to arise with any OS/kernel....right?

I'm just so hesitant to move up, FC1 has been so good to me. It's what I learned Linux on; it's what allowed me to be M$ free!

Is there some secret way to transfer every tweak and setting you've made (especially the ones you don't remember making) to FC3 upon install? Sort of like the config.nice option when upgrading apache that uses all the locations and settings of the previous install?

Off topic here, but is there some tool (other than chkrootkit) that will scan your entire system and network for vulnerabilities from the internet? I'm pretty sure my system is secure, I've carefully set up the apache and ssh conf files and have iptables closing all unused ports, but considering all the login attempts I get in my ssh access logs, I'd just like to be sure. Anything like this? Perhaps some reputable company that can scan your IP for open holes or something? Just curious...

THanks!

When i first started out with linux I jumped all around to all the top distrobutions and I landed myself on Fedora core 2 and very diappointed I went to Fedora Core 1. It was rock solid. Best of the best. Then fedora core 3 came out. When you fully update it with yum and get those video drivers working, It is amazing! I can run games cleaner and smoother than I could ever acheve with fedora core 1 on the same computer. Not to mention YUM is an excellent software utility. It makes life so much easier. Along with all the sfowtare fedoa core 3 comes jam packed with (such as tux racer) . So the decision is up to you, but once you get Fedora Core 3 running updatd it is what every linux should be but isn't. Not to mention FREE EVERYTHING! If you have problems with nvidia drivers then just post here aand someone will help you out.

This gives me a full readout of ports opened and vulnerabilities in my system. Click Here

antidelldude,

Great friggin link!! That's exactly what I was looking for. System checks out completely healthy...

As for FC3, I decided to make the switch, but only by way of upgrade, not a fresh install. Too much stuff on the drive I'd want to save, and nowhere to put it in the meantime.

Unfortunately, the install errored out with some unhandled exceptions during the part where it checks for installed packages, right at the beginning of the install process after you choose upgrade or fresh install. I have no free space left on any partitions, so to do it fresh and not trash my current install I'd have to resize the partition, and as I mentioned I have no place to put my current data to save it from a possible disaster.

So, anybody know of a workaround for the unhandled exceptions I'm getting? I can't even give you more info about it, as it reboots after can I don't know where (if anywhere) the log file for it would be...

Suggestions?

Thanks so much for the replies....

This is a fairly easy feat. Go to this website and do everything they say from start to finish about installing yum and updating your system. When the updates finish. From this point restart your computer and try the cd/dvd again, If it still doesn't work. Then boot your system, open a terminal and say "yum upgrade" and that should upgrade your system to fc3. Good Luck!

Thanks for the link. Even though I'm still stuck, I've got everything for FC 1 very well updated now

Here's what happend though...

GOt through the update jsut fine, rebooted with the install CD, click next at the part where it asks you if you want to update bootloader, skip bootloader update, or configure new boot loader. It starts reading the packages, then starts "finding packages to upgrade", and then up pops the window with the following lines...(typing them in myself while looking at the monitor...)

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", line 789, in nextClicked
self.dispatch.gotoNext()
File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 789, in gotoNext
self.moveStep()
File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.py", line 789, in moveStep
rc = apply(func, self.bindArgs(args))
File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/upgrade.py", line 789, in upgradeFindPackages
instPath)
File "/usr/src/build/475969-i386/install//usr/lib/anaconda/findpackageset.py", line 789, in findpackageset
val = rpm.labelCompare(oevr,(epoch,h[rpm.RPMTAG_VERSION],h[rpm.RPMTAG_RELEASE]))
TypeError: argument 1, item 0 must be string or None, not long


Trying out a couple things from the bugzilaa list right now, I'll let you know how it goes...

woohoo!!

Transferred the isos over to the hard drive and did a hard drive install. It is working as we speak...

Hooray!!

I imagine I'll have issues, so I'll make new posts as needed...

Thanks for the assist...

Now what fun would a computer be if it didn't have problems to solve? Any more questions just post back to this thread.

Oh crap.

Well, install seemed to start okay, but when it got to installing tcl-8.4.7-2 it errored out. A window came up saying there was an error installing tcl-8.4.7-2, and that it was a fatal error and would reboot when I clicked OK. It tries to blame it on a media failure, lack of disk space, or hardware problem, none of which I believe to be true. I've verified the media, and checked the md5sums as well. I have at least 36G free space, and never had a hardware issue. So, I click OK and reboot. Tried it 4 or 5 times now, wiht no luck. Here's what comes out of /boot/upgrade.log, which I'm accessing while in linux rescue mode...

Oops, cant find that now that I"ve done a chroot /mnt/sysimage...dont knw owhere the previous root was to find the other /boot directory. Crap. It was something about unpacking an archive in /usr/lib/tcl8.4 or something. Argh! I wish I had written that down. I'll reboot out of rescue in a minute here and post back with it...

My system will, of course, no longer boot normally. It gets all the way to the spot where it is about to load the desktop manager (GDM in this case) and tells me the X server can't start...blah blah blah. Of course you can only expect this at this point, as the install didn't get more than 20% complete.

So, grub is now reflecting the new kernel and the old is gone, so I'll assume I can't get back to booting the FC1 anymore...right?

Ugh.

Any ideas? I'm gonna poke around in rescue mode for a minute and see if you coma back with anythign, and I'll report with the /boot/upgrade.log entry shortly...

PLEASE HELP!!!! I miss my wonderful system already...

Since it continually dies in certain spots of the install it may just be the version of fc3 install that you downloaded may have a problem not one caused by download coruption but one cause by over all human error. First thing you could try is starting the upgrade again and try to find and comment out that package. If you have fc2 try upgrading to that. If you don't, get it. If that fails, Try fc4 test 3 (I have that on my server they have a lot of advancements and it hasn't crashed yet". If you can get to a shell and run software off of the system try the yum upgrade command. Unfortunatly, there is nothing "easy to fix" when things mess up. It may take some waiting and a lot of bandwidth. But you'll get it working. Oh you could also try to take your fc1 disks and run an fc1 update/repair to get it working again.

I tried FC3 but it was a BIG headache and my brother tried FC3 and it was a BIG headache for him also. He gave up on FC3 and went back to Red Hat Linux 9 or before or FC1 or FC2. FC1 is a good distribution but it had problems with the LCD monitor on both my laptop and desktop and either wouldn't install or it wouldn't install right. The 64-bit version [FC1] was too buggy, too. I just had so many problems with FC3 that I could never recommend it to anybody and I just don't understand how they could turn loose something so bad onto an unsuspecting public. FC2 was the only distro that works right on both my laptop and my desktop. FC3 screwed up my laptop until I did a fresh reinstall of FC2 on my laptop and it works great again. My desktop was afflicted with all kinds of problems with FC3 until I did another fresh reinstall of FC2 and now it works smoothly again. I finally got Red Hat Linux 7.3 to install on my laptop and no blank screen because it uses APM and not ACPI. Red Hat Linux 9 would not install on my laptop because of the "Intel 440 X-series" bug but it installed fine on my desktop but would only recognize no more than 128 MB of my Nvidia GeForce FX 5200's 256 MB of onboard RAM; otherwise it worked GREAT! FC4 [test version 3?] is much better than FC3 but it would not install on my laptop. All I got was a blinking cursor and anytime I would push ANY button to start the install it would reboot. Try again and it would reboot again. On my desktop it would not upgrade FC2 or even FC3 to FC4. It would complain about no swap partition or it would say the partition table was improper or corrupt or something. The only way FC4 would install on my desktop was to do a fresh install of it. It worked great but test version 3 had no screensavers in the screensaver list to choose from and other problems but I liked it anyway as it is MUCH better than FC3 by far. The 64-bit version of FC2 was good, but nautilus would crash as soon as it got to the log-in screen and I could not use gnome; I had to use KDE and other problems. However, the 32-bit version of FC2 was stable and works well. I have a 64-bit processor but have to use a 32-bit version of Linux to get good performing software as the 64-bit software doesn't work too well or else there is very little software available for 64-bit Linux. I just gave up on FC3, both the 32-bit version of it and the 64-bit version of it. I believe they released FC3 way too prematurely as it just was not ready for release. I had such high hopes when it was first released and it turned out to be a big disappointment. I gave up on it and went back to FC2 and will only use Red Hat Linux 7.3 to 9 or FC2. I tried Debian but had too many problems with it trying to get it to work. I really liked Ubuntu but had too many problems with updating the software. I think I will stick with FC2 the 32-bit version or Red Hat Linux 9 or before. The only other distro I would consider would be Linux-from-Scratch or maybe even try BSD or Solaris 10 or maybe even a desktop system of Java. I hear they have a Java desktop out. By the way, I have a dual-boot system on my 20 G hard drive on my Dell Latitude C600 laptop of Windoze XP SP1 and FC2 the 32-bit version. I fixed the blank screen problem when logging in or out by using boot parameters of "acpi=off apm=on" and going into the main menu to "System Settings" and then Server Settings" and then "Services" and editing the services to cut off the ACPI service and saving the changes and I'm really enjoying FC2 the best Fedora distro there is or will be as it installs fine on both my laptop and my desktop. Hooray!!! JeanBrownHarrell