just installed now what

Okie · 08-15-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by plesaleza

i tried compiling something from source (pidgin) and all i really got was a bunch of errors. what do i need installed. i looked up the error but got no answers

the joys of building source code, (especially with debian & ubuntu, and other debian based distros, what they did not tell you is you will have to download LOTS of header & C files (dev files to debianites & ubuntuians) = parts of packages that should have never been removed in the first place...

cgjones · 08-15-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie

parts of packages that should have never been removed in the first place...

Unless you don't plan on compiling software from source.

Okie · 08-15-2007, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cgjones

Unless you don't plan on compiling software from source.

i believe those parts of packages should be kept included & intact, not like they are hogging up LOTS of disk space, that is one of my biggest peeves with debian/ubuntu and other debian/ubuntu based distros, i wish like heck debian/ubuntu would make a single apt command that would install all of them for every package currently installed or during the install of the distro to the hard drive an option to include all those very important files to begin with, this is why i wont use debian/ubuntu because this annoys me to no end...

farslayer · 08-15-2007, 10:13 PM

I don't even install the build environment on any of my servers.. that's ASKING for trouble if the server is breached... why would I want a bunch of development libraries cluttering things up. the fact is they are available if you want or need them, please don't wish that on the rest of us.

hitest · 08-16-2007, 08:06 AM

I'm a die-hard Slacker and a huge fan of Debian. I live in both camps:-) I can see strengths and weaknesses in both OSs. Debian and Slackware are both hard-core, bullet-proof distros. I wouldn't use Debian if it was unreliable (Etch is a rock for me). If you ever feel so inclined I think Slackware is also worth a look:-) I'm very excited about the upcoming release of FreeBSD 7.0, it is now in code freeze. BSD has a very Slack-like installer (lots of fun).
Peace:-)

hitest

cgjones · 08-16-2007, 10:25 AM

From the Securing Debian Manual.

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Since you already know what the system is for (don't you?) you should only install software that is really needed for it to work. Any unnecessary tool that is installed might be used by a user that wants to compromise the system or by an external intruder that has gotten shell access (or remote code execution through an exploitable service).

The presence, for example, of development utilities (a C compiler) or interpreted languages (such as perl - but see below -, python, tcl...) may help an attacker compromise the system even further:

*allowing him to do privilege escalation. It's easier, for example, to run local exploits in the system if there is a debugger and compiler ready to compile and test them!

*providing tools that could help the attacker to use the compromised system as a base of attack against other systems.

hitest · 08-16-2007, 12:23 PM

From Securing Debian Manual

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Security updates are the first priority. When a security problem arises in a Debian package, the security update is prepared as fast as possible and distributed for our stable, testing and unstable releases, including all architectures.

We do the same in Slackware. A Slackware box is just as secure as a Debian box. When you install Slackware you can choose what software to install while realizing the risks associated with the applications you run. You can harden any distro:-)