Hi,

Is it possible to install KDE 3.1 in woddy?? If so, what would be the easiest way to go about
it? I've heard about backports, but I don't know if I'll be able to handle possible
complications that may arise from using a backport installation , although I'm willing
to get my hands dirty trying to fix it.

Thanks in advance

MR

I have just installed KDE 3.1.4 and I did it this way. Added the following line to my sources.list;
deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.4/Debian stable main
Ran apt-get update and then did; apt-get install arts kdelibs kdebase kdegraphics kdeadmin.
The install went like a dream. After this I did apt-get install kdemultimedia kdepim and anything else you want. It is quite important to follow the initial apt-get process else you could encounter problems. You may also need to install qt3. I installed qt3 prior to the upgrade but apparantly it is included in kdelibs.

I don't want to hijack the thread, so I'll attempt to keep my question in line with help for reyemarr.

TigerOC - your cp says Woody, but do you have your sources.list at stable, testing, or unstable? I'm at unstable and tried getting KDE via synaptic, but one area of it gave me much trouble. I forget right now, but there were some dependencies that wouldn't be met, so I bailed out. I ask because I am wanting to get KDE but there are two problems.

First, I am running wmaker at the moment, and if I get a program with synaptic it doesn't put it in the menu in wmaker (though it did before at stable and testing).

Second, I installed KDE like this once before at unstable. I'd only used it for a day or so and it seemed to work well, but when I went back and got KMail something went wrong. They both worked great, but I rebooted and when coming back into Debian the whole KDE desktop was hosed. It was so bad I couldn't get it uninstalled or fixed (my lack of experience no doubt) and reinstalled the whole distro.

Please don't let this post take anything away from reyemarr's original question. I just want to know what sources you originally had before you did the apt-get. If you were already at stable then I understand. I just feel that if I go get something from stable, the dependencies that it gets might change some of my unstable stuff and I'd mess something up.

For Chinaman;
Debian is stable version. I see no reason why this should not work for unstable but I did see something about it not working and someone gave a link for unstable kde upgrade but cannot remember where it was. If you do a google search you should find a link to this.

Thanks, TigerOC. There is a really good wiki at http://wiki.debian.net where I ran down the problems in testing/unstable. They have to do with kdemultimedia and libc6-dev, so I'll probably try to get KDE out of unstable via your link and specific instructions. And I'll Google the other link to check it out in the meantime.

I am curious what getting something from stable will do to my system since I am currently upgraded to unstable. What I mean is, for instance, if KDE in stable seeks a different version of libc6 (or some such library or a compiler) will it revert the version I now have, and will that cause problems for some other applications? I'm sorry but I don't know if I'm asking this question correctly yet or not.

MR, did you get KDE, and how did it go?

Still learning, as we say in China, "man man lai" - little by little.

I am not certain as to the reasons. On a personal note I am so impressed with your english - where did you learn the language?

Mississippi - I'm an American. Thanks.

When I signed up for LQ the nick I want was taken, so I choose this one without thinking about what others would think, or that LQ was so international.

Hi guys,

I installed KDE 3.1.4 as per TigerOC instructions, and it worked like a drean...
In fact, it was so easy, that I just fell hopelesly in love with Debian, and decided to use it as my main distro. Which brings me to my next question:
(a little introduction before my actual question)
Presently I have XP home+mandrake 9.1 + woody stable installed on my rig. Initially, when I decided to try linux (about 2 weeks ago), I installed mandrake 9.1 (with separate partitions for certain directories, you know, the usual /boot,/tmp,/home, etc). In any case, I did leave a small partition in my hard drive for trying other distros (where debian resides presently). Now, that I decided to go all the way with Debian, I am going to get rid of mandrake(or maybe just keep it in a single small partition) and reinstall debian with separate partitions.
Once I reinstall debian, I will upgrade kde again, but I don't want to download the files again (to save some bandwidth, I get charge per MB after 1GB/month). Will I be able to reinstall KDE from the deb packages already in my hard drive, without having dependency problems??

Thank you guys

MR

If you intend to re-install then what you can do is;
1. move your /var directory to another partition by doing dd if=/var/* if=/dev/hdxx where xx is the destination partition. Having done the install you can copy /var back. Now you can use apt, synaptic or whatever to install the packages.
or;
2 archive the deb files to a cd which is what I do. To do this create a new directory called debs then copy all the deb files to /debs then do dpkg-scanpackages debs /dev/null | gzip > debs/Packages.gz . Write the contents of /debs to cd. You can then use dselect to install packages from the cd by instructing dselect to use the cd as the source.

Following your posts to the "copy and paste" verbose maximum ->

paul:/home/mingdao# nano /etc/apt/sources.list
added ->
deb http://download.at.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.1.4/Debian/ stable main
paul:/home/mingdao# apt-get update
Get:1 http://download.at.kde.org stable/main Packages [41.1kB]
Get:2 http://download.at.kde.org stable/main Release [115B]
Fetched 41.2kB in 10s (4089B/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done
paul:/home/mingdao# apt-get upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
paul:/home/mingdao# apt-get install arts kdelibs kdebase kdegraphics kdeadmin
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
kdeadmin: Depends: kcmlinuz (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kcron (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdat (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdeadmin-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kpackage (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksysv (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kuser (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kxconfig (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: secpolicy (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
kdebase: Depends: kappfinder (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kate (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kcontrol (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdebase-bin (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdebase-kio-plugins (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdeprint (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdesktop (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kfind (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: khelpcenter (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kicker (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: klipper (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kmenuedit (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: konqueror-nsplugins (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: konqueror (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: konsole (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kpager (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kpersonalizer (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksmserver (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksplash (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksysguard (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ktip (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kwin (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libkonq4 (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
kdegraphics: Depends: kamera (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kcoloredit (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdvi (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kfax (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kghostview (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kiconedit (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kmrml (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kooka (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kpaint (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kpovmodeler (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kruler (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: ksnapshot (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kuickshow (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kview (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kviewshell (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: libkscan1 (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
kdelibs: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
Depends: kdelibs-bin (>= 4:3.1.4-0woody1) but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

I guess you can't get stable stuff once you've done an apt-get dis-upgrade to unstable. And I think I should probably go back to testing instead of unstable. Okay, I'll start searching...

TigerOC,

I did what you suggested and got the following message:

D-4500:/mnt/win_f/downloads# dpkg-scanpackages local-debs /dev/null | gzip > local-debs/Packages.gz
** Packages in archive but missing from override file: **
ark arts bash cdrtools imlib-base imlib2 k3b kalarm kamera
kappfinder karm kate kcalc kcharselect kcmlinuz kcoloredit kcontrol
kcron kdat kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase kdebase-bin
kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdegraphics kdegraphics-kfile-
plugins kdelibs kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdepasswd kdepim-
libs kdeprint kdesktop kdewallpapers kdf kdict kdm kdvi kedit kfax
kfind kghostview khelpcenter khexedit kicker kiconedit kit kjots
klipper kmail kmenuedit kmrml knewsticker knode knotes konqueror
konqueror-nsplugins konsole kooka korganizer korn kpackage kpager
kpaint kpersonalizer kpovmodeler kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksmserver
ksnapshot ksplash ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktimer ktip kuickshow
kuser kview kviewshell kwin kxconfig libarts1 libartsc0
libkdenetwork2 libkonq4 libkscan1 libmimelib1 libqt3-mt secpolicy

Wrote 93 entries to output Packages file.

just wondering if the highlighted text above is ok...

Againg thanks

You should be in / while doing scanpackages. It's saying that the listed packages were not included in Packages.gz which will cause problems.
With regard to you keeping debian - another option is to use knoppix to format the Mandrake partition and then go and resize the debian partition. Ideally to protect your apt-cache either archive it or copy to a small partition in case something goes wrong during the process.

For Chinaman read this thread. Looks like you cannot use 3.1.4 .

Thanks, TigerOC. I've even read what Chris Cheney and those maintainers have written, but it's not coming forth. I tried in testing, also. Guess I'll just wait until they get the bugs worked out. Thanks for the link. I've read many, and no two people have the same opinion, much less the same facts - so that tells me something. It must be really messed up, though KDE 3.1.3 works fine on my wife and daughter's comp with KNOPPIX. Maybe I'll try to get it from those /apt/sources.list or something.

i too am trying to update kde i tried using the link you have posted but i keep a notice 'E:malformed line 9 in source list /etc-/apt sources.list (dist) what does this mean and what can i do about it

tia

Paul