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Old 06-17-2014, 01:18 PM   #16
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Follow the link I provided, click on Instructions
Where? Please
 
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Might it be simpler to start with a distro based on testing or unstable and add the latest Gnome? For example, siduction...
 
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Might it be simpler to start with a distro based on testing or unstable and add the latest Gnome? For example, siduction...
I would think so, if the distribution is made to be somewhat stable and you have not to deal with the occasional breakages of Testing/Unstable.
 
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A newer kernel alone (which can be obtained from the Debian Backports repositories) may not be sufficient, likely you will also need a newer xorg-video-intel and a newer Mesa, which are not provided by Backports.
But of course you can start trying with a newer kernel.
I have Ubuntu Gnome working on my HD partioned, But I'd like to
get Gnome working with Whizzy, I have Sid / Jesse testing also partioned but that wont give me Gnome either? I must need to have the same drivers for Whizzy that Ubuntu has, but don't know how to go about it.
Do you think MATE would work? How to I get and install Mate?
 
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I have Ubuntu Gnome working on my HD partioned, But I'd like to
get Gnome working with Whizzy, I have Sid / Jesse testing also partioned but that wont give me Gnome either?
Sid and Jessie do already have the newer drivers (and a newer Gnome), those two should run out of the box. The problem is that both are development branches that can have occasional breakages. If you want to use them you should be able to fix occurring problems.
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I must need to have the same drivers for Whizzy that Ubuntu has, but don't know how to go about it.
As I said, you would need a newer kernel, xorg-video-intel and Mesa. While getting a newer kernel is trivial, getting a newer xorg-video-intel and Mesa is not, backporting them can be a real hassle.
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Do you think MATE would work? How to I get and install Mate?
Mate would work without sufficient 3D support (but will still be slow without proper drivers), but AFAIK MATE is currently not in the Debian repositories.

At this point I would recommend to go for a distribution that already comes with the newer drivers, If you want to have something based on Debian I would give Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) a try, it is based on Debian Testing and should be pretty stable.
 
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http://wiki.mate-desktop.org/download
 
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Sid and Jessie do already have the newer drivers (and a newer Gnome), those two should run out of the box. The problem is that both are development branches that can have occasional breakages. If you want to use them you should be able to fix occurring problems.
As I said, you would need a newer kernel, xorg-video-intel and Mesa. While getting a newer kernel is trivial, getting a newer xorg-video-intel and Mesa is not, backporting them can be a real hassle.
Mate would work without sufficient 3D support (but will still be slow without proper drivers), but AFAIK MATE is currently not in the Debian repositories.

At this point I would recommend to go for a distribution that already comes with the newer drivers, If you want to have something based on Debian I would give Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) a try, it is based on Debian Testing and should be pretty stable.
I have partioned Testing Sid/Jessie Gnome, yet each time it opens with Xfce? I don't get it? When I put Ubuntu Gnome it open with Gnome, Debian 7.5 Testing Sid/Jessie wont? Same machine? Intel Haswell and Megabythe motherboard.

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I have partioned Testing Sid/Jessie Gnome, yet each time it opens with Xfce? I don't get it? When I put Ubuntu Gnome it open with Gnome, Debian 7.5 Testing Sid/Jessie wont? Same machine? Intel Haswell and Megabythe motherboard.
In Jessie the default desktop switched from Gnome to XFCE. Just use your package manager (Synaptic or Software Center on the GUI, apt-get or aptitude on the CLI) to install Gnome, log out and you should have the option to run Gnome on the login window.
 
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After trying to install MATE, I can't seem to get a clean install,I get the following error message,
W: GPG error: http://packages.mate-desktop.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 68980A0EA10B4DE8
Tryed to gpg --recv-keys 68980A0EA10B4DE8
gpg: requesting key A10B4DE8 from hkp server keys.gnupg.net
gpg: key A10B4DE8: "Stefano Karapetsas (MATE) <stefano@karapetsas.com>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: unchanged: 1
What now?
 
Old 06-20-2014, 05:57 PM   #27
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After trying to install MATE, I can't seem to get a clean install,I get the following error message,
W: GPG error: http://packages.mate-desktop.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 68980A0EA10B4DE8
Tryed to gpg --recv-keys 68980A0EA10B4DE8
gpg: requesting key A10B4DE8 from hkp server keys.gnupg.net
gpg: key A10B4DE8: "Stefano Karapetsas (MATE) <stefano@karapetsas.com>" not changed
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: unchanged: 1
What now?
When you install any distro, you get in that install the gpg keys that verify that you are downloading from the real repos.

If you add a 3rd party repo this is not handled by your install and must be handled by you.

I believe that using this, as root, will get you your keys;
Code:
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 68980A0EA10B4DE8
followed by;
Code:
gpg --export --armor 68980A0EA10B4DE8 | apt-key add -
Should add the keys for the Mate repos.

While I use Xfce my wife uses Mate under Debian 7. That is how I got the keys for her box and I just got them for mine, although I didn't add the repos;
Code:
root@debian:/home/elwin# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 68980A0EA10B4DE8gpg: requesting key A10B4DE8 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
gpg: key A10B4DE8: public key "Stefano Karapetsas (MATE) <stefano@karapetsas.com>" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
root@debian:/home/elwin# gpg --export --armor 68980A0EA10B4DE8 | apt-key add -
OK
root@debian:/home/elwin#
Ubuntu, by the way, is not Linux as a whole. It is a respin of Debian. Both have long used the Gnome DE. Debian uses the Popularity Contest, PopCon, that you are asked if you want to participate in during install with the No option as default, which gets packages installed and removed info from participating users. Gnome is being replaced by Xfce by users or the Xfce DE is being installed by users when installing the system in the first place in such numbers that they are trying it out as the default to Jessie.

Final release may not be that way but for now that is the direction being taken by Debian. As Debian is no a respin of Ubuntu they really don't care what Ubuntu is using for a DE.

If you want a Debian testing install with the Gnome DE it is available, from Gnome;
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso

That is for the amd64, if you need it for a 32bit box you will have to look it up, my bookmarks are for 64 and I am too lazy to look up the 32 bit page for an image I don't want.

If you want this under Wheezy you need to have wheezy-backports enabled in your sources.list.
http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

If using testing this is no problem but I mention it because you may find testing a bit too steep a learning curve. I am not discouraging its use. You are pretty new to Linux but we all were at one time. Start out with testing, which Ubuntu would tell you is only for experts (it is not, I can use it) and pick up the basics as you go along.

I prefer testing and Sid. Don't use them on this antique laptop.
 
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Old 06-21-2014, 05:58 AM   #28
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When you install any distro, you get in that install the gpg keys that verify that you are downloading from the real repos.

If you add a 3rd party repo this is not handled by your install and must be handled by you.

I believe that using this, as root, will get you your keys;
Code:
gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 68980A0EA10B4DE8
followed by;
Code:
gpg --export --armor 68980A0EA10B4DE8 | apt-key add -
Should add the keys for the Mate repos.

While I use Xfce my wife uses Mate under Debian 7. That is how I got the keys for her box and I just got them for mine, although I didn't add the repos;
Code:
root@debian:/home/elwin# gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv 68980A0EA10B4DE8gpg: requesting key A10B4DE8 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
gpg: key A10B4DE8: public key "Stefano Karapetsas (MATE) <stefano@karapetsas.com>" imported
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)
root@debian:/home/elwin# gpg --export --armor 68980A0EA10B4DE8 | apt-key add -
OK
root@debian:/home/elwin#
Ubuntu, by the way, is not Linux as a whole. It is a respin of Debian. Both have long used the Gnome DE. Debian uses the Popularity Contest, PopCon, that you are asked if you want to participate in during install with the No option as default, which gets packages installed and removed info from participating users. Gnome is being replaced by Xfce by users or the Xfce DE is being installed by users when installing the system in the first place in such numbers that they are trying it out as the default to Jessie.

Final release may not be that way but for now that is the direction being taken by Debian. As Debian is no a respin of Ubuntu they really don't care what Ubuntu is using for a DE.

If you want a Debian testing install with the Gnome DE it is available, from Gnome;
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-gnome-CD-1.iso

That is for the amd64, if you need it for a 32bit box you will have to look it up, my bookmarks are for 64 and I am too lazy to look up the 32 bit page for an image I don't want.

If you want this under Wheezy you need to have wheezy-backports enabled in your sources.list.
http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/

If using testing this is no problem but I mention it because you may find testing a bit too steep a learning curve. I am not discouraging its use. You are pretty new to Linux but we all were at one time. Start out with testing, which Ubuntu would tell you is only for experts (it is not, I can use it) and pick up the basics as you go along.

I prefer testing and Sid. Don't use them on this antique laptop.
Thanks so much for your generous reply, I know it takes time out of your schedule for a reply.
Thanks, fvs
 
  


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