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I am using Ubuntu now and I want to try Debian coz I heard its rock stable and powerful distro and Ubuntu is good also but isnt stable much with some crashes the question is:
What is better to me to download dvds of Debian or a single live cd?
To narrow the problem more here is my use of linux:
1- browse the net
2- chat communications
3- using torrent much
4- open the computer 24\7 for downloading things from the net
5- watching videos in all extinctions (avi,wmv,rmvb etc)
6- using XP in virtualbox
7- not using office much
8- using share programs like limewire,froswire and mule family
This is the most things I do in the computer daily so, what to prefer for me dvds or live cd?
another question do the dvd have the video codec with it?
I have a download limit 20 KiB\s is it enough or with this speed it will take 24 hours to be installed?
Is it easy to install it via the net?
Do this install allow a dual boot with winxp?
The chief reasons for using the DVD are:
- you don't always have a good ethernet connection
- you want to install exactly the same software if your HD crashes
- you're not confident the installer supports your ethernet devices
Otherwise the DVD sits on the edge of the desk begging for people to put their coffee cup down on it.
For video playback stuff, see www.debian-multimedia.org and add a mirror to your sources.list file. Take time to read through Christian Marillat's notes.
I always do a base system install from the Netinstall CD because it saves a lot of bandwidth. Also a full DVD becomes a waste after some time if you using "testing" or "unstable" because you'll be doing the dist-upgrade again anyway.
After the base install I boot into a command line and apt-get my way to a full fledged desktop.
Assuming of course you have a good internet connection. If you're planning to use a stable release of Debian for a long time, then grab the DVDs if available and install from there.
I have a download limit 20 KiB\s is it enough or with this speed it will take 24 hours to be installed?
Is it easy to install it via the net?
Do this install allow a dual boot with winxp?
Do you mean KiB or Kib? A base Debian install is now around 200MB; since compression is used maybe you download 150MB. Adding X, a window manager, and a few goodies will usually add about another 350MB to download. That's already 3/4 of a CD. If you install a lot via the net on a 20KiB connection (even worse on 20Kib), it can take many hours to finish the install. At 20KiB/s, that's roughly 50s per 1MB - let's call it 1 minute. 150MB*1minute -> 150m -> 2h30m. For your 350MB of other goodies, that's an additional 7h30m for a total of 10h with no interruptions.
If you want to save bandwidth, some things need covered first.
The DVD will take longer to download, as you get more than what you want. The good side is you still have an OS that you can use while doing so.
The net install generally is the best way to go, I don't think it would take 24hrs but I will guess maybe half that if you go with the pre-configured package set.
If you are not comfortable with command line stuff like apt-get or aptitude, you will need to go with the pre-configured desktop package. If you can live in a terminal for awhile and request the needed X packages, you should be fine.
And the installation process is exactly the same for the DVD and net install. And yes Windows is detected for grub.
Do you mean KiB or Kib? A base Debian install is now around 200MB; since compression is used maybe you download 150MB. Adding X, a window manager, and a few goodies will usually add about another 350MB to download. That's already 3/4 of a CD. If you install a lot via the net on a 20KiB connection (even worse on 20Kib), it can take many hours to finish the install. At 20KiB/s, that's roughly 50s per 1MB - let's call it 1 minute. 150MB*1minute -> 150m -> 2h30m. For your 350MB of other goodies, that's an additional 7h30m for a total of 10h with no interruptions.
I mean KiB (kilo byte) per sec.
Do this install have a graphical interface or only command line coz I am not perfect at it.
What about the live CD is it stable like the dvds?
Last edited by wanas; 08-29-2008 at 12:27 AM.
Reason: foolness
The difference between the CD and the DVD is that the DVD holds a lot more data. For example, DVD-1 is about the equivalent of CD1..6. Since Debian arranges the packages on the CDs (and DVDs) according to the number of people who report using those packages, you'll find most of the packages you want are on DVD-1. In contrast if people ask about what CDs to get I usually suggest CD1..3 (if they don't want a netinstall).
Towards the end of the installer program you will be asked to choose a "typical use" for your machine. If you select "Desktop" then a GUI will be installed. I do NOT recommend this because X, GNOME, and KDE are all installed and numerous programs (like solitaire etc) are installed - major bloat. Instead, do a base install then do something like the following to install the rest:
That should instruct 'apt' to ignore the 'recommends' and 'suggests' lists and will significantly reduce the bloat (the current default seems to be to install the 'recommends' list).
To install X:
apt-get install xserver-xorg libx11-6
To install GNOME or KDE:
apt-get install kde-core (add kde-i18n to the list if you want the internationalization files)
The net-install CD is not graphical by default...
By default the net-install CD is not graphical and installs Gnome Desktop.
However there are special ways to install Debian:
when the cd boots it asks for special boot instructions where you can start a gui installer or install KDE instead of Gnome.
I think the best way is to try the live CD coz of 2 reasons:
1- To try it on the virtualbox before I use it on the physical HDD.
2- To install it on other friends computers.
here come the question:
Is the first CD enough to do all the graphical install or I have to download cd 1,2,3,4 and 5 which mean 1st DVD?
CD-1 contains Gnome and CD-2 the KDE. CD-1 contains all the base components to run Debian including the X-Server and the beautiful Gnome desktop environment and its major applications.
I'd rather suggest you better download and burn on a CD the Debian Lenny CD-1 image. Then install Debian on your machine. If you need KDE, you might then either download>burn the CD-2 image and do the installation or install KDE directly from the Net.
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