Caution!!!! Sid's latest Xorg may cause problems

rickh · 04-22-2007, 09:40 AM

Very brief report now ... It will be later today before I have time to test further.

I did a dist-upgrade from Sid this morning which included a new xserver-xorg-core. I install xorg in three pieces, xorg-xserver-core, xorg-xserver, and xorg ... only the xserver-xorg-core was replaced.

On my 64-bit desktop, I'm running kernel 2.6.20 and the fglrx driver 8.36.5 from the ATI website. On the 32-bit, same machine, kernel 2.6.18, fglrx 8.31.5 from Debian Experimental.

After the dist-upgrade, both were broken. X won't come up. I get an error something like ... fglrx module won't load, xorg 7.1 required, xorg 1.3 recognized.

Editing xorg.conf to use the free "ati" driver gets me back into X in both cases.

That's all for now.

nx5000 · 04-23-2007, 06:06 AM

Same for Intel i855 cards although it's maybe another problem.

The error is not always reproducible and I need to hard reset the box.

utanja · 04-23-2007, 09:36 AM

when i upgrade to the current SID, the workspace switcher applet on status line only shows 1 workspace. when i reset to 4 it works fine but reboot it goes back to 1. using NVIDIA 9531 driver (MX440) any ideas where to look?

rickh · 04-23-2007, 09:49 AM

Gnome or KDE? I have no such problem on Gnome and I doubt that it's related to the error I described.

Did you notice whether your "upgrade" included any new components for Xorg?

utanja · 04-23-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickh

Gnome or KDE? I have no such problem on Gnome and I doubt that it's related to the error I described.

Did you notice whether your "upgrade" included any new components for Xorg?

yes......i am thinking of going back the the previous one...
btw i use gnome....i am thinking of switching to XCFE or another lite gui...

nx5000 · 04-23-2007, 05:08 PM

I've just read that some of the drm function will not work with a kernel < 2.6.21 because it's the only one containing DRM v 1.7.
Is there any documentation regarding the requirements for these packages? Cause there mnight be other incompatibilites...
I will open another bug tomorrow on freedesktop for my little card

edit: there should be tighter dependencies on these packages

rickh · 04-23-2007, 05:13 PM

Ther is an upgrade to xserver-xorg-core in "incoming" Hopefully, it's a fix.

You got a link related to kernel 2.6.21 -- DRM?

nx5000 · 04-23-2007, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickh

Ther is an upgrade to xserver-xorg-core in "incoming" Hopefully, it's a fix.

You got a link related to kernel 2.6.21 -- DRM?

kernel.org

The 2.6.21-rc branch:
You need to apply this patch to the last 2.6.x kernel (2.6.20)

Code:

wget http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.20.tar.bz2
wget http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.21-rc7.bz2
tar xvjf linux-2.6.20.tar.bz2
bzip2 -d patch-2.6.21-rc7.bz2
cd linux-2.6.20
patch -p1 < ../patch-2.6.21-rc7
cd ..
mv linux-2.6.20 linux-2.6.21-rc7

And you can compile (fakeroot make-kpkg..... there's a post in the thread last stable kernel)

I don't have my debian under hand so I can't try and anyway our hardware/problem is different.

If you find info on this DRM evolution I'm interested, looking in all changelogs on kernel.org from 2.6.20 to 2.6.21-rc7 is not very helpfull but I'm sure I've seen this somewhere.

rickh · 04-23-2007, 05:40 PM

Oh! I misuderstood. I thought the DRM you were referring too was "Digital Restrictions Management." I'm too paranoid about that I guess.

rickh · 04-23-2007, 08:52 PM

Here's the scoop. Doesn't look particularly encouraging.

nx5000 · 04-24-2007, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickh

Oh! I misuderstood. I thought the DRM you were referring too was "Digital Restrictions Management." I'm too paranoid about that I guess.

www.microsoft.com/drm.exe
^
--- don't click!!

Thanks for the link. I could add that the intel xserver-xorg-video-intel driver _doesn't work at all with my card_ , dual screen or single screen, it just freeze the machine _sometimes_. But before submitting a bug I have to check if my configuration is standard

Abject · 05-03-2007, 09:13 AM

Yeah... I wiped out 3 machines with this upgrade.

My workaround is to use the "nv" driver (the free-as-in-speech nVidia driver) until Joey and the gang and/or nVidia get this sorted out.

How? Edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Here's a snippet of mine before:

Code:

Section "Device"
        Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
        Driver          "nvidia"
        BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
        Option          "UseFBDev"              "true"

and, after:

Code:

Section "Device"
        Identifier      "nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]"
#       Driver          "nvidia"
        Driver          "nv"
        BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
#       Option          "UseFBDev"              "true"

It mostly kills any 3D features, but at least you can get to a desktop.

makuyl · 05-03-2007, 02:11 PM

Nothing wrong with my xorg and nvidias driver. I believe it's ati's that won't work. Well, I don't have an ati card and will never have one either.

xserver-xorg:
Installed: 1:7.2-3
Candidate: 1:7.2-3

NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.03-pkg1.run

rickh · 05-03-2007, 02:33 PM

Either you pulled your xorg from Experimental or just updated it from Sid. Nvidia seems to have been ready for Xorg 7.2 and ATI is not yet.

Nvidia was also broken during the period just prior to 7.2

I assume that the next ATI release will cover 7.2 as well. I hope they hurry.

makuyl · 05-03-2007, 02:46 PM

Got from sid.
-rw------- 1 root root 437976 Apr 30 05:17 xserver-xorg_1%3a7.2-3_all.deb