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Old 04-28-2021, 12:02 AM   #16
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XFCE doesn't seem to be the lightweight expected of its reputation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrvJOXypAbk

My so-so experience with old Radeons resurfaced again today. My Radeon 9000 is no longer usable, producing terrible screen scrambling after less than 10 minutes of use even though its cooler is clean and its fan is working. So I removed it and replaced it with a Radeon 7500. It works OK, but I latched onto a Radeon 9700 to put in. It too is working so-so, but good enough for test purposes.
Code:
inxi -CGSxy
System:
  Host: k8mmv Kernel: 4.19.0-16-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0
  Desktop: Trinity R14.0.9 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
CPU:
  Info: Single Core model: AMD Sempron 3000+ bits: 64 type: UP arch: K8 rev.E
  rev: 2 cache: L2: 128 KiB
  flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 bogomips: 3599
  Speed: 1800 MHz min/max: N/A Core speed (MHz): 1: 1800
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD R300 [Radeon 9700/9700 PRO] driver: radeon v: kernel
  bus-ID: 01:00.0
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: loaded: radeon
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz
  OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 7.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.6
  direct render: Yes
I believe both outright failure of the 9000 and sub-par performance of the 9700 are due to ancient graphics RAM failing. Those colored vertical lines in the images attached to post #15 indicate a hardware problem, possibly failing old graphics RAM also.

All that said, let's have a look at Xorg.#.log. # usually means 0, but sometimes it will be 1 or some other number. We want the newest one, one with a current time stamp. There are two places to look for it, /var/log/, and ~/.local/share/xorg/. On finding, upload it for us to see. e.g.:
Code:
pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Before that though, give a try to whittling down that noapic, nolapic, acpi=off list to only one or two of the three. It's hard to imagine actually needing them all. It might also be worth trying radeon.agpmode=-1 instead of that whole bunch.

Your audio trouble needs its own thread. So does that Mate when selecting XFCE problem. This thread is about your Radeon, though it's not entirely clear what's bothering you about it at this point.
 
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Old 04-28-2021, 01:57 AM   #17
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But what about completeness, customization, intuitiveness and user-friendliness?
Its subject to personal evaluation. A lot are good. Test several on your own.
For the testing of the iso (already identified: lightweight distribution, no GNOME or other RAM demanding things), use this: https://www.ventoy.net/en/isolist.html (see a lot of HowTo of "envoy" on youtube).
And you will find something at your taste.
 
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Old 05-03-2021, 02:20 AM   #18
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Those colored vertical lines in the images attached to post #15 indicate a hardware problem, possibly failing old graphics RAM also.
I think it's an LCD issue, just 3 colored lines. Despite this, I can watch youtube videos with audio perfectly working (obviously, in MS Windows).


Quote:
All that said, let's have a look at Xorg.#.log. # usually means 0, but sometimes it will be 1 or some other number. We want the newest one, one with a current time stamp. There are two places to look for it, /var/log/, and ~/.local/share/xorg/. On finding, upload it for us to see. e.g.:
Code:
pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
Just found both logs (with 0 and 1) but pastebinit command is not found.

Quote:
give a try to whittling down that noapic, nolapic, acpi=off list to only one or two of the three.
acpi=off is necessary as well as nolapic. At that point, it seems that noapic can be omitted without getting errors.

Quote:
It might also be worth trying radeon.agpmode=-1 instead of that whole bunch.
I tried that but I got these lines:
MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
acpu LNXCPU:01 (invalid PBLK length [0])
radeon 0000:01:00.0: Disabling GPU acceleration

Quote:
Your audio trouble needs its own thread. So does that Mate when selecting XFCE problem. This thread is about your Radeon, though it's not entirely clear what's bothering you about it at this point.
For the audio trouble I actually need to take more information and possibly start a new thread.
The Xfce problem seems now solved and I haven't done anything to solve it. The DE choice has now been memorized. By the way, RAM usage is just about 240 MB. I expected much more than that.
So, at the moment, Xfce should be fine for my purposes.
 
Old 05-03-2021, 03:21 AM   #19
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Just found both logs (with 0 and 1) but pastebinit command is not found.
Fix that thus:
Code:
sudo apt install pastebinit
Or share the hard way: goto http://paste.debian.net/ or equivalent and upload.
 
Old 05-03-2021, 03:26 AM   #20
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acpi=off is necessary as well as nolapic.
You know this how, from using Stretch or Jessie? Have you tried doing without all in Buster?
 
Old 05-05-2021, 02:30 AM   #21
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I've just typed pastebinit command in Xfce terminal and this is the result. Why those deprecation warnings?

Code:
root@localhost:~# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
/usr/bin/pastebinit:42: DeprecationWarning: dist() and linux_distribution() functions are deprecated in Python 3.5
  release = platform.linux_distribution()[0].lower()
/usr/bin/pastebinit:413: DeprecationWarning: pasteURLopener style of invoking requests is deprecated. Use newer urlopen functions/methods
  url_opener = pasteURLopener()
http://paste.debian.net/1196332/
Then, as you suggested, I've shared the hard way (paste.debian.net) and this is the result:

Code:
[    52.859] 
X.Org X Server 1.20.4
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
[    52.859] Build Operating System: Linux 4.19.0-16-amd64 i686 Debian
[    52.859] Current Operating System: Linux localhost 4.19.0-14-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.19.171-2 (2021-01-30) i686
[    52.859] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.19.0-14-686-pae root=UUID=90ce54d6-4e17-425b-b2d4-a12fe58984fb ro noapic nolapic acpi=off quiet
[    52.860] Build Date: 19 April 2021  09:34:38AM
[    52.860] xorg-server 2:1.20.4-1+deb10u3 (https://www.debian.org/support) 
[    52.860] Current version of pixman: 0.36.0
[    52.860] 	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
[    52.860] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[    52.860] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Wed May  5 06:13:09 2021
[    53.893] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d"
[    54.111] (==) No Layout section.  Using the first Screen section.
[    54.111] (==) No screen section available. Using defaults.
[    54.111] (**) |-->Screen "Default Screen Section" (0)
[    54.111] (**) |   |-->Monitor "<default monitor>"
[    54.147] (==) No monitor specified for screen "Default Screen Section".
	Using a default monitor configuration.
[    54.147] (==) Automatically adding devices
[    54.147] (==) Automatically enabling devices
[    54.147] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices
[    54.147] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1fffff
[    54.577] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
[    54.577] 	Entry deleted from font path.
[    54.796] (==) FontPath set to:
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,
	/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,
	built-ins
[    54.796] (==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
[    54.796] (II) The server relies on udev to provide the list of input devices.
	If no devices become available, reconfigure udev or disable AutoAddDevices.
[    54.796] (II) Loader magic: 0x6c3740
[    54.796] (II) Module ABI versions:
[    54.796] 	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4
[    54.796] 	X.Org Video Driver: 24.0
[    54.797] 	X.Org XInput driver : 24.1
[    54.797] 	X.Org Server Extension : 10.0
[    54.799] (++) using VT number 7

[    54.799] (II) systemd-logind: logind integration requires -keeptty and -keeptty was not provided, disabling logind integration
[    54.803] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[    54.823] (--) PCI:*(1@0:0:0) 1002:4c66:1558:0402 rev 1, Mem @ 0xf0000000/134217728, 0xec100000/65536, I/O @ 0x00009000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
[    55.120] (II) LoadModule: "glx"
[    55.138] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
[    55.966] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    55.967] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 1.0.0
[    55.967] 	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0
[    55.967] (II) Applying OutputClass "Radeon" to /dev/dri/card0
[    55.967] 	loading driver: radeon
[    55.967] (==) Matched radeon as autoconfigured driver 0
[    55.967] (==) Matched ati as autoconfigured driver 1
[    55.967] (==) Matched modesetting as autoconfigured driver 2
[    55.967] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 3
[    55.967] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 4
[    55.967] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[    55.967] (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[    56.037] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/radeon_drv.so
[    56.374] (II) Module radeon: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.375] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 19.0.1
[    56.375] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    56.375] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.375] (II) LoadModule: "ati"
[    56.375] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ati_drv.so
[    56.409] (II) Module ati: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.409] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 19.0.1
[    56.409] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    56.409] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.409] (II) LoadModule: "modesetting"
[    56.410] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[    56.609] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.609] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 1.20.4
[    56.610] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    56.610] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.610] (II) LoadModule: "fbdev"
[    56.610] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so
[    56.677] (II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.677] 	compiled for 1.20.0, module version = 0.5.0
[    56.677] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    56.677] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.677] (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[    56.677] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
[    56.699] (II) Module vesa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.699] 	compiled for 1.20.1, module version = 2.4.0
[    56.699] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    56.699] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.699] (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI/AMD Radeon chipsets:
	ATI Radeon Mobility X600 (M24), ATI FireMV 2400,
	ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M24), ATI FireGL M24 GL,
	ATI Radeon X600 (RV380), ATI FireGL V3200 (RV380),
	ATI Radeon IGP320 (A3), ATI Radeon IGP330/340/350 (A4),
	ATI Radeon 9500, ATI Radeon 9600TX, ATI FireGL Z1, ATI Radeon 9800SE,
	ATI Radeon 9800, ATI FireGL X2, ATI Radeon 9600, ATI Radeon 9600SE,
	ATI Radeon 9600XT, ATI FireGL T2, ATI Radeon 9650, ATI FireGL RV360,
	ATI Radeon 7000 IGP (A4+), ATI Radeon 8500 AIW,
	ATI Radeon IGP320M (U1), ATI Radeon IGP330M/340M/350M (U2),
	ATI Radeon Mobility 7000 IGP, ATI Radeon 9000/PRO, ATI Radeon 9000,
	ATI Radeon X800 (R420), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R420),
	ATI Radeon X800SE (R420), ATI FireGL X3 (R420),
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9800 (M18), ATI Radeon X800 SE (R420),
	ATI Radeon X800XT (R420), ATI Radeon X800 VE (R420),
	ATI Radeon X850 (R480), ATI Radeon X850 XT (R480),
	ATI Radeon X850 SE (R480), ATI Radeon X850 PRO (R480),
	ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (R480), ATI Radeon Mobility M7,
	ATI Mobility FireGL 7800 M7, ATI Radeon Mobility M6,
	ATI FireGL Mobility 9000 (M9), ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9),
	ATI Radeon 9700 Pro, ATI Radeon 9700/9500Pro, ATI FireGL X1,
	ATI Radeon 9800PRO, ATI Radeon 9800XT,
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600/9700 (M10/M11),
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10), ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11),
	ATI FireGL Mobility T2 (M10), ATI FireGL Mobility T2e (M11),
	ATI Radeon, ATI FireGL 8700/8800, ATI Radeon 8500, ATI Radeon 9100,
	ATI Radeon 7500, ATI Radeon VE/7000, ATI ES1000,
	ATI Radeon Mobility X300 (M22), ATI Radeon Mobility X600 SE (M24C),
	ATI FireGL M22 GL, ATI Radeon X800 (R423), ATI Radeon X800PRO (R423),
	ATI Radeon X800LE (R423), ATI Radeon X800SE (R423),
	ATI Radeon X800 XTP (R430), ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430),
	ATI Radeon X800 SE (R430), ATI Radeon X800 (R430),
	ATI FireGL V7100 (R423), ATI FireGL V5100 (R423),
	ATI FireGL unknown (R423), ATI Mobility FireGL V5000 (M26),
	ATI Mobility Radeon X700 XL (M26), ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26),
	ATI Radeon X550XTX, ATI Radeon 9100 IGP (A5),
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9100 IGP (U3), ATI Radeon XPRESS 200,
	ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M, ATI Radeon 9250, ATI Radeon 9200,
	ATI Radeon 9200SE, ATI FireMV 2200, ATI Radeon X300 (RV370),
	ATI Radeon X600 (RV370), ATI Radeon X550 (RV370),
	ATI FireGL V3100 (RV370), ATI FireMV 2200 PCIE (RV370),
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 (M9+), ATI Mobility Radeon X800 XT (M28),
	ATI Mobility FireGL V5100 (M28), ATI Mobility Radeon X800 (M28),
	ATI Radeon X850, ATI unknown Radeon / FireGL (R480),
	ATI Radeon X800XT (R423), ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410),
	ATI Radeon X700 XT (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 PRO (RV410),
	ATI Radeon X700 SE (RV410), ATI Radeon X700 (RV410),
	ATI Radeon X1800, ATI Mobility Radeon X1800 XT,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X1800, ATI Mobility FireGL V7200,
	ATI FireGL V7200, ATI FireGL V5300, ATI Mobility FireGL V7100,
	ATI FireGL V7300, ATI FireGL V7350, ATI Radeon X1600, ATI RV505,
	ATI Radeon X1300/X1550, ATI Radeon X1550, ATI M54-GL,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, ATI Radeon X1550 64-bit,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X1300, ATI Radeon X1300, ATI FireGL V3300,
	ATI FireGL V3350, ATI Mobility Radeon X1450,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X2300, ATI Mobility Radeon X1350,
	ATI FireMV 2250, ATI Radeon X1650, ATI Mobility FireGL V5200,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X1600, ATI Radeon X1300 XT/X1600 Pro,
	ATI FireGL V3400, ATI Mobility FireGL V5250,
	ATI Mobility Radeon X1700, ATI Mobility Radeon X1700 XT,
	ATI FireGL V5200, ATI Radeon X2300HD, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300,
	ATI Radeon X1950, ATI Radeon X1900, ATI AMD Stream Processor,
	ATI RV560, ATI Mobility Radeon X1900, ATI Radeon X1950 GT, ATI RV570,
	ATI FireGL V7400, ATI Radeon 9100 PRO IGP,
	ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 IGP, ATI Radeon X1200, ATI RS740,
	ATI RS740M, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2900 Pro,
	ATI Radeon HD 2900 GT, ATI FireGL V8650, ATI FireGL V8600,
	ATI FireGL V7600, ATI Radeon 4800 Series, ATI Radeon HD 4870 x2,
	ATI Radeon HD 4850 x2, ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL),
	ATI FirePro V7760 (FireGL), ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850,
	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4850 X2, ATI FirePro RV770,
	AMD FireStream 9270, AMD FireStream 9250, ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL),
	ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4870, ATI Mobility RADEON M98,
	ATI FirePro M7750, ATI M98, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650,
	ATI Radeon RV730 (AGP), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670,
	ATI FirePro M5750, ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670], ATI RADEON E4600,
	ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series, ATI RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650],
	ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL), ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL),
	ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL), ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4830,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4850, ATI FirePro M7740, ATI RV740,
	ATI Radeon HD 4770, ATI Radeon HD 4700 Series, ATI RV610,
	ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2400 Pro,
	ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO AGP, ATI FireGL V4000, ATI Radeon HD 2350,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400 XT, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2400,
	ATI RADEON E2400, ATI FireMV 2260, ATI RV670, ATI Radeon HD3870,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850, ATI Radeon HD3850,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2, ATI Radeon HD3870 X2,
	ATI FireGL V7700, ATI Radeon HD3690, AMD Firestream 9170,
	ATI Radeon HD 4550, ATI Radeon RV710, ATI Radeon HD 4350,
	ATI Mobility Radeon 4300 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon 4500 Series,
	ATI FirePro RG220, ATI Mobility Radeon 4330, ATI RV630,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT,
	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT AGP, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP,
	ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro, ATI Gemini RV630,
	ATI Gemini Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, ATI FireGL V5600,
	ATI FireGL V3600, ATI Radeon HD 2600 LE,
	ATI Mobility FireGL Graphics Processor, ATI Radeon HD 3470,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3430, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series,
	ATI Radeon HD 3450, ATI Radeon HD 3430, ATI FirePro V3700,
	ATI FireMV 2450, ATI Radeon HD 3600 Series, ATI Radeon HD 3650 AGP,
	ATI Radeon HD 3600 PRO, ATI Radeon HD 3600 XT,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3670,
	ATI Mobility FireGL V5700, ATI Mobility FireGL V5725,
	ATI Radeon HD 3200 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3100 Graphics,
	ATI Radeon HD 3300 Graphics, ATI Radeon 3000 Graphics, SUMO, SUMO2,
	ATI Radeon HD 4200, ATI Radeon 4100, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200,
	ATI Mobility Radeon 4100, ATI Radeon HD 4290, ATI Radeon HD 4250,
	AMD Radeon HD 6310 Graphics, AMD Radeon HD 6250 Graphics,
	AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series Graphics,
	AMD Radeon HD 6200 Series Graphics, PALM, CYPRESS,
	ATI FirePro (FireGL) Graphics Adapter, AMD Firestream 9370,
	AMD Firestream 9350, ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series,
	ATI Radeon HD 5900 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5800 Series,
	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series, ATI Radeon HD 6700 Series,
	ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5570,
	ATI Radeon HD 5670, ATI Radeon HD 5570, ATI Radeon HD 5500 Series,
	REDWOOD, ATI Mobility Radeon Graphics, CEDAR, ATI FirePro 2270,
	ATI Radeon HD 5450, CAYMAN, AMD Radeon HD 6900 Series,
	AMD Radeon HD 6900M Series, Mobility Radeon HD 6000 Series, BARTS,
	AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series, AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series, TURKS, CAICOS,
	ARUBA, TAHITI, PITCAIRN, VERDE, OLAND, HAINAN, BONAIRE, KABINI,
	MULLINS, KAVERI, HAWAII
[    56.710] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
[    56.710] (II) FBDEV: driver for framebuffer: fbdev
[    56.710] (II) VESA: driver for VESA chipsets: vesa
[    56.744] (II) [KMS] Kernel modesetting enabled.
[    56.744] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
[    56.744] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for fbdev
[    56.744] (II) Loading sub module "fbdevhw"
[    56.744] (II) LoadModule: "fbdevhw"
[    56.745] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfbdevhw.so
[    56.893] (II) Module fbdevhw: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    56.893] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 0.0.2
[    56.893] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    56.911] (II) RADEON(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
	"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
[    56.911] (==) RADEON(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
[    56.981] (II) RADEON(0): Pixel depth = 24 bits stored in 4 bytes (32 bpp pixmaps)
[    56.981] (==) RADEON(0): Default visual is TrueColor
[    56.982] (==) RADEON(0): RGB weight 888
[    56.982] (II) RADEON(0): Using 8 bits per RGB (8 bit DAC)
[    56.982] (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 (M9)" (ChipID = 0x4c66)
[    56.982] (II) Loading sub module "fb"
[    56.982] (II) LoadModule: "fb"
[    56.982] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libfb.so
[    57.182] (II) Module fb: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    57.182] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 1.0.0
[    57.182] 	ABI class: X.Org ANSI C Emulation, version 0.4
[    57.182] (II) Loading sub module "dri2"
[    57.182] (II) LoadModule: "dri2"
[    57.182] (II) Module "dri2" already built-in
[    57.182] (II) Loading sub module "exa"
[    57.183] (II) LoadModule: "exa"
[    57.183] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libexa.so
[    57.325] (II) Module exa: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    57.325] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 2.6.0
[    57.325] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 24.0
[    57.325] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled
[    57.325] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling 2D: disabled
[    57.325] (==) RADEON(0): TearFree property default: auto
[    57.325] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Pageflipping: enabled
[    57.325] (II) RADEON(0): SwapBuffers wait for vsync: enabled
[    57.374] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 has no monitor section
[    57.375] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS has no monitor section
[    57.379] (II) RADEON(0): Output S-video has no monitor section
[    57.379] (WW) RADEON(0): 3 ZaphodHeads crtcs unavailable. Some outputs will stay off.
[    57.382] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output VGA-0
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output LVDS
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Printing probed modes for output LVDS
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1400x1050"x60.0  108.00  1400 1472 1584 1688  1050 1050 1053 1066 (64.0 kHz eP)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x1024"x59.9  109.10  1280 1368 1496 1712  1024 1027 1034 1063 -hsync +vsync (63.7 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x960"x60.0  101.34  1280 1360 1488 1696  960 963 967 996 -hsync +vsync (59.8 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x854"x60.0   89.34  1280 1352 1480 1680  854 857 867 887 -hsync +vsync (53.2 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x800"x60.0   83.71  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync (49.8 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1280x720"x60.0   74.65  1280 1344 1472 1664  720 723 728 748 -hsync +vsync (44.9 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1152x768"x59.9   71.95  1152 1216 1328 1504  768 771 781 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "1024x768"x59.9   63.53  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync (47.8 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "800x600"x60.0   38.31  800 832 912 1024  600 603 607 624 -hsync +vsync (37.4 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "848x480"x59.9   31.65  848 872 952 1056  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "720x480"x59.9   26.85  720 744 808 896  480 483 493 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz)
[    57.383] (II) RADEON(0): Modeline "640x480"x59.9   23.98  640 664 720 800  480 483 487 500 -hsync +vsync (30.0 kHz)
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): EDID for output S-video
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): Output VGA-0 disconnected
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS connected
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): Output S-video disconnected
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): Using exact sizes for initial modes
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): Output LVDS using initial mode 1400x1050 +0+0
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): mem size init: gart size :1fdff000 vram size: s:4000000 visible:3a1c000
[    57.387] (II) RADEON(0): EXA: Driver will allow EXA pixmaps in VRAM
[    57.387] (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (96, 96)
[    57.387] (==) RADEON(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)
[    57.387] (II) Loading sub module "ramdac"
[    57.387] (II) LoadModule: "ramdac"
[    57.387] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in
[    57.387] (II) UnloadModule: "modesetting"
[    57.387] (II) Unloading modesetting
[    57.387] (II) UnloadModule: "fbdev"
[    57.387] (II) Unloading fbdev
[    57.387] (II) UnloadSubModule: "fbdevhw"
[    57.387] (II) Unloading fbdevhw
[    57.388] (II) UnloadModule: "vesa"
[    57.388] (II) Unloading vesa
[    57.493] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2] Setup complete
[    57.493] (II) RADEON(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: r200
[    57.494] (II) RADEON(0): Front buffer size: 5775K
[    57.494] (II) RADEON(0): VRAM usage limit set to 48327K
[    57.514] (==) RADEON(0): DRI3 disabled
[    57.514] (==) RADEON(0): Backing store enabled
[    57.514] (II) RADEON(0): Direct rendering enabled
[    57.514] (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration enabled for R200 type cards.
[    57.514] (II) EXA(0): Driver allocated offscreen pixmaps
[    57.514] (II) EXA(0): Driver registered support for the following operations:
[    57.514] (II)         Solid
[    57.514] (II)         Copy
[    57.514] (II)         Composite (RENDER acceleration)
[    57.514] (II)         UploadToScreen
[    57.514] (II)         DownloadFromScreen
[    57.514] (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled
[    57.514] (==) RADEON(0): DPMS enabled
[    57.514] (==) RADEON(0): Silken mouse enabled
[    57.604] (II) RADEON(0): Set up textured video
[    57.604] (II) RADEON(0): [XvMC] Associated with Radeon Textured Video.
[    57.604] (II) RADEON(0): [XvMC] Extension initialized.
[    57.624] (II) Initializing extension Generic Event Extension
[    57.625] (II) Initializing extension SHAPE
[    57.625] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SHM
[    57.626] (II) Initializing extension XInputExtension
[    57.664] (II) Initializing extension XTEST
[    57.664] (II) Initializing extension BIG-REQUESTS
[    57.665] (II) Initializing extension SYNC
[    57.666] (II) Initializing extension XKEYBOARD
[    57.666] (II) Initializing extension XC-MISC
[    57.667] (II) Initializing extension SECURITY
[    57.667] (II) Initializing extension XFIXES
[    57.667] (II) Initializing extension RENDER
[    57.668] (II) Initializing extension RANDR
[    57.669] (II) Initializing extension COMPOSITE
[    57.669] (II) Initializing extension DAMAGE
[    57.669] (II) Initializing extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[    57.670] (II) Initializing extension DOUBLE-BUFFER
[    57.670] (II) Initializing extension RECORD
[    57.671] (II) Initializing extension DPMS
[    57.671] (II) Initializing extension Present
[    57.671] (II) Initializing extension DRI3
[    57.671] (II) Initializing extension X-Resource
[    57.672] (II) Initializing extension XVideo
[    57.672] (II) Initializing extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
[    57.673] (II) Initializing extension SELinux
[    57.673] (II) SELinux: Disabled on system
[    57.673] (II) Initializing extension GLX
[    59.822] (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized r200
[    59.822] (II) GLX: Initialized DRI2 GL provider for screen 0
[    59.822] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
[    59.823] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DGA
[    59.824] (II) Initializing extension XFree86-DRI
[    59.824] (II) Initializing extension DRI2
[    59.825] (II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 370 x 277
[    64.387] (II) config/udev: Adding input device gspca_zc3xx (/dev/input/event3)
[    64.387] (**) gspca_zc3xx: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    64.387] (II) LoadModule: "libinput"
[    64.388] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/libinput_drv.so
[    65.385] (II) Module libinput: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    65.587] 	compiled for 1.20.4, module version = 0.28.2
[    65.587] 	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
[    65.587] 	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 24.1
[    65.587] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'gspca_zc3xx'
[    65.587] (**) gspca_zc3xx: always reports core events
[    65.587] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event3"
[    65.587] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    66.396] (II) event3  - gspca_zc3xx: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    66.398] (II) event3  - gspca_zc3xx: device is a keyboard
[    66.398] (II) event3  - gspca_zc3xx: device removed
[    66.398] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:03.0/usb2/2-2/input/input10/event3"
[    66.399] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "gspca_zc3xx" (type: KEYBOARD, id 6)
[    66.399] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    66.399] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "it"
[    66.620] (II) event3  - gspca_zc3xx: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    66.620] (II) event3  - gspca_zc3xx: device is a keyboard
[    66.622] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AT Translated Set 2 keyboard (/dev/input/event0)
[    66.622] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: Applying InputClass "libinput keyboard catchall"
[    66.622] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'AT Translated Set 2 keyboard'
[    66.622] (**) AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: always reports core events
[    66.622] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event0"
[    66.622] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    66.625] (II) event0  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    66.625] (II) event0  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device is a keyboard
[    66.626] (II) event0  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device removed
[    66.626] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0/event0"
[    66.626] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
[    66.626] (**) Option "xkb_model" "pc105"
[    66.626] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "it"
[    66.629] (II) event0  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: is tagged by udev as: Keyboard
[    66.629] (II) event0  - AT Translated Set 2 keyboard: device is a keyboard
[    66.632] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint (/dev/input/event1)
[    66.632] (**) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: Applying InputClass "libinput touchpad catchall"
[    66.632] (II) Using input driver 'libinput' for 'AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint'
[    66.632] (**) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: always reports core events
[    66.632] (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/event1"
[    66.632] (**) Option "_source" "server/udev"
[    66.635] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: is tagged by udev as: Touchpad
[    66.636] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: no resolution or size hints, assuming a size of 69x50mm
[    66.639] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: device is a touchpad
[    66.639] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: device removed
[    66.640] (**) Option "config_info" "udev:/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio4/input/input8/event1"
[    66.640] (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint" (type: TOUCHPAD, id 8)
[    66.641] (**) Option "AccelerationScheme" "none"
[    66.641] (**) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: (accel) selected scheme none/0
[    66.641] (**) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: (accel) acceleration factor: 2.000
[    66.641] (**) AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: (accel) acceleration threshold: 4
[    66.645] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: is tagged by udev as: Touchpad
[    66.646] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: no resolution or size hints, assuming a size of 69x50mm
[    66.648] (II) event1  - AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint: device is a touchpad
[    66.650] (II) config/udev: Adding input device AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint (/dev/input/mouse0)
[    66.650] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    66.650] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
[    66.652] (II) config/udev: Adding input device PC Speaker (/dev/input/event2)
[    66.652] (II) No input driver specified, ignoring this device.
[    66.652] (II) This device may have been added with another device file.
I thought noapic boot option was permanently removed by simply removing it from Grub. Anyway, it doesn't seem to have caused any issue.
Please, suggest any anomalies from this log, possibly even something related to the audio issue.

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acpi=off is necessary as well as nolapic.

You know this how, from using Stretch or Jessie? Have you tried doing without all in Buster?
Since I only installed Buster stable, all the attempts were made in Buster. Never used Stretch or Jessie.
 
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I've just typed pastebinit command in Xfce terminal and this is the result. Why those deprecation warnings?
I have no idea.

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Code:
root@localhost:~# pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
/usr/bin/pastebinit:42: DeprecationWarning: dist() and linux_distribution() functions are deprecated in Python 3.5
  release = platform.linux_distribution()[0].lower()
/usr/bin/pastebinit:413: DeprecationWarning: pasteURLopener style of invoking requests is deprecated. Use newer urlopen functions/methods
  url_opener = pasteURLopener()
http://paste.debian.net/1196332/
It worked! There's nothing in it that I recognize as a suggestion that there is anything wrong with Xorg. (EE) lines are bad. The only one you have is the one describing what it means.

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Then, as you suggested, I've shared the hard way (paste.debian.net) and this is the result:
It was an available alternative in case pastebinit was too big a problem to manage, not really a suggestion. Please never paste in here directly any large file. Instead, upload somewhere and provide an URL.

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I thought noapic boot option was permanently removed by simply removing it from Grub. Anyway, it doesn't seem to have caused any issue.
Please, suggest any anomalies from this log
With a clean log as you've shown, the more likely problem is in the old hardware, the screen itself, or tired old video RAM. That said, this is hardly the first problem I've seen lately with old Radeons. Finding URLs to descriptions of other reports is another matter. :P It's late and I'm very tired, so nothing has come to mind as I write this.

One software approach to try is disabling compositing. Desktop settings in KDE/Plasma can do this, so the other DEs you have installed should have something similar. An alternate method is creating this file: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-extensions.conf, containing:
Code:
Section "Extensions"
        Option          "Composite" "Disable"
EndSection
This method might prevent a particular session type to fail to start.

More information might be available from Xorg.0.log by appending the following to the linu line in grub: drm.debug=0x1e log_buf_len=1M

Have you been able to try LXDE or LXQt yet? Do they produce the same screen boogers?
 
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I thought noapic boot option was permanently removed by simply removing it from Grub.
Just to clarify: yes, if you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly - but this is discouraged because some upgrade can overwrite that file at any time.
The proper way is to edit /etc/default/grub, then run 'update-grub' afterwards.

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I've just typed pastebinit command in Xfce terminal and this is the result. Why those deprecation warnings?
These are python warnings and have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
This might point to a larger problem in the background, or be completely harmless. With just warnings, I tend towards the latter.
A seperate topic, maybe.
 
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from the Xorg.log the warning "modesetting" and "ZaphodHeads crtcs unavailable. Some outputs will stay off." are 2 paths I would search
 
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Have you been able to try LXDE or LXQt yet? Do they produce the same screen boogers?
Yes, LXDE has no variations in terms of screen boogers. It might be a screen problem, since youtube videos are played smoothly (but without audio).


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More information might be available from Xorg.0.log by appending the following to the linu line in grub: drm.debug=0x1e log_buf_len=1M
I added those instructions after the existent boot options (.... acpi=off quiet) but the resulting log (pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log) gives the same information as the previous one.
Did I miss something?

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from the Xorg.log the warning "modesetting" and "ZaphodHeads crtcs unavailable. Some outputs will stay off." are 2 paths I would search
Do they need some manual configurations via xorg.conf?
ZaphodHeads should be managed when it comes to multiple monitors. If it's so, at the moment, I don't have this particular necessity.

The modesetting warning might be something related to my post (#15) where I uploaded a couple of thumbnails to show what happened when I tried to install these packages:
xserver-xorg-video-radeon_19.0.1-1_i386.deb
libdrm-radeon1_2.4.97-1_i386.deb

Anyway, I don't know where this warning can bring in terms of possible practical limitations.
 
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I added those instructions after the existent boot options (.... acpi=off quiet) but the resulting log (pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log) gives the same information as the previous one. Did I miss something?
No. It's a normal request by driver developers for preparing bug reports according to this URL.
 
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ZaphodHeads should be managed when it comes to multiple monitors. If it's so, at the moment, I don't have this particular necessity.

The modesetting warning might be something related to my post (#15) where I uploaded a couple of thumbnails to show what happened when I tried to install these packages:
xserver-xorg-video-radeon_19.0.1-1_i386.deb
libdrm-radeon1_2.4.97-1_i386.deb

Anyway, I don't know where this warning can bring in terms of possible practical limitations.
Should (tm) ...

The latter most definitely has nothing to do with uploading thumbnails.

What FloppyStuttgart suggested was that you put these terms into a search engine, combined with something like "Linux ati mobility radeon error", and see if you get helpful results.
Don't you want to overcome the state of not knowing?
 
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Don't you want to overcome the state of not knowing?
Ok, from archlinux forum someone gave a tip for overcoming these warnings:

Falling back to old probe method for modesetting
Falling back to old probe method for fbdev


I should install these packages

xf86-video-fbdev (for Debian Buster: xserver-xorg-video-fbdev)
xf86-video-modesetting (for Debian Buster: xserver-xorg-core)

and then enable acpid.
But, in my case, I've acpi=off (otherwise I'd get an error) and acpid is something related to acpi. So, enabling acpid won't work, am I wrong?

Do I really need some xserver-xorg packages to remove those warnings?
From the log, I can see that modesetting, fbdev and vesa drivers are regularly loaded.
So, forgive me but it's not easy and intuitive to explain the reasons why those warnings are there and the upcoming possible issues that can arise from them.
 
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xf86-video-modesetting (for Debian Buster: xserver-xorg-core)
xserver-xorg-core provides the modesetting DDX beginning in Stretch, upstream in server 1.17.0. xf86-video-modesetting last existed in Debian in Jessie.
 
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Just install a distro that works on this old, old laptop.
You won't be happy with GNOME anyhow, if you somehow magically get it working. It will be slower than molasses. Tar, maybe.
 
  


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