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Old 12-16-2004, 03:35 PM   #1
crazyeddie740
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Hi, Gilbert (et al). I've been doing some cleanup on the AMGIO related pages on the wiki.

I've done a re-write of the main [[Amigo Linux]] article. Somebody might want to do some fact checking - especially the bits I put in itallics. Some questions - is ZipSlack dead? Does Amigo use a [[UMSDOS]] or a [[loopback]] filesystem? I've personally had some problems with loadlin - does it work with current versions of windows?

I moved your profile on the Who We Are article to your userpage ([[User:Gilbert]]) and then deleted the article. (Unfortunately, article deletion is a mod-only ability in the current version of MediaWiki, hopefully that will be changed in later versions. If you want to undelete the article, talk to me or another mod. Here's the list (not all of which are still active): [[Special:Listadmins]].)

You have moral authority over your userpage - you can put anything you want to there, within reason. (For example, try to keep it PG-13). If you want additional pages, here's the convention: User:Gilbert/pagename. Your userpage is the appropriate place to put personal information. If other members of the Amigo team join the wiki, they might want to give a link to their userpage from the main [[Amigo Linux]] article.

I also moved the content from the Amigo Philosophy page to the main article and deleted it.

I removed the wiki instructions from the [[Amigo HOWTO's]] article. (Hopefully, contributors will have a working knowledge of wiki conventions or be indoctrined in them off the main content pages.) You might want to intergrate to HOWTOs list into the main Amigo article.

Thanks!
 
Old 12-16-2004, 03:50 PM   #2
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Also: Need to make sure that the Amigo related articles explain that they are related to Amigo, and link back to the main Amigo article. If an article is Amigo-specific, some indication of this should be given in the title of the article. (I'm refering to the [[Helping Out]] article mainly.)

Might also need to rethink the [[Amigo Developers]] article. Some of that needs to be done at the project site itself, rather than in a general Linux wiki.
 
Old 12-17-2004, 06:00 AM   #3
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Jeremy said I could use the area however I wanted. From the start I wanted to use a WIKI for the developers. You were right that what was there was too promotional.
I hoped to have a VERY short front page, for now, that would guide people to amigolinux.org for specific info about Amigo and it's use. And provide an area where the developers can do collaborative work, including the writing of both Amigo-specific and general linux HOWTO's. These could then be linked to directly, or referenced from documents or webpages. Users/viewers would be encouraged to add or finish pages there. The best of this info will be condensed and used elsewhere, as well as put in your general HOWTO's or linked from/to
The main Amigo WIKI page would link only to the HOWTO index, the developers area and to amigolinux.org
The 'philosophy' is really meant for the developers, though it may help users understand the 'whys' of Amigo better.
The 'personals' are completely unnecessary. Also for developers.
I am not a moderator at LQ. I am the 'official member' from Amigo Linux who represents the distro on the forum, as required by LQ. I was between 600-700 posts on the Slack forum when I started the Amigo forum.
Amigo is not a 'fork' of anything. If anything, it's just the opposite -a merging of programs, ideas, code, etc, from many sources.
While the existing releases run out-of-box on umsdos, they were MEANT to be released with other filesystem, compressed package type AND installation method. The upcoming release of Amigo does NOT run from umsdos. The release after that MAY be a loop-mounted, compressed, ISO image running inside an emulated x86, over network-mounted USB stick, using JFFS2, with XFS on top of that. All inside a little-old-granny-friendly LiveCD, running inside BOCHS, on a MacOS! Who knows? Only the shadow...and myself!

The WIKI does seem to me a better way to collaborate and brainstorm, than the forum. Thread-style discussion leads to 'spattering' of info over many pages. A WIKI lets us 'boil' it down -in the same pot. Then, if definitive, it can be 'written in stone' on some webpage, or quoted somewhere, or linked to from outside. Lots of these would go to your general linux HOWTO's. For instance, I'll write one on how to set up Thunderbird to run under linux and windows, both accessing a shared mail folder.

If it's not appropriate that we use the LQ WIKI in this way, then I'll have to rethink it.

What I'd like to see there is something like this:

The Amigo Linux Project promotes the Open-Source movement in several ways.
One is by providing a family of linux distributions, which are easy to run and use -even by those who know very little about computers. Please see the Amigo Linux homepage for more details. Part of that ease-of-use involves great follow up and support for the user. This WIKI provides an area where the developers and users (You?) can share what they learn and pass on Amigo-related Tips and HOWTO's. They can also create general linux HOWTO's there or finish an already -started one.

Another way that Amigo promotes Open-Source is by providing access to the project itself. Nearly anyone can join the project and use the talents they have, or learn new ones. Amigo can turn a 'newbie' into a Linux professional, or at least into a participating member of the linux community. Members of the developers team contribute with translations and other tasks on a variety of other projects, and Amigo Linux itself contributes funds and software to various projects.

Amigo Linux has an active forum here at LQ, where you can get help or get your voice heard. The Amigo developers really use your input to help make decisions, such as what software to include, etc.

Amigo also tries to generate and share useful HOWTO's, mostly related to Slackware, but that try to teach about Linux in general. This includes some guides for minimal installation at:
http://amigolinux.org/docs/minstall/index.htm

And, I'd like to start here a Slackware Dependency Database, where we can provide FULL dependency info, (after polishing).
If you'd like to join the Amigo Developers Team or help out in any way, contact amigo@ibiblio.org. (Or if permitted: please go(link) to the Amigo Developers Area. Could we hide this link? I mean have a few pages there that aren't linked to from the Main WIKI or elsewhere?)

Amigo Linux Home Page:
www.amigolinux.org

LQ/Amigo linux forum:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...php?forumid=56

Since most Amigo configuration conforms with Slackware, you may find more information by consulting the LQ/Slackware forum:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/forumdisplay.
phps=&daysprune=30&forumid=14

Amigo_Developers_Area WIKI, if allowed

Last edited by gnashley; 12-17-2004 at 06:18 AM.
 
Old 12-17-2004, 05:34 PM   #4
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You know it's late here in Germany and I should have been asleep hours ago and now I've woken my little son. I watch him 20 hours each day, while trying to develop Amigo and support the users. But, I'm so mad about this all I can't sleep.
After ragging me about text that jeremy or someone inserted on the WIKI without me even knowing. for you too promotional. What should a distro listing say? What should the header of my own webpage say? Okay, I edited it a bit, and SINCE JEREMY SAID, in response to your earlier post, that I could use the space for 'any amigo-related info'. I spent a couple of days of my time to think out that structure and create it -I've never worked with a WIKI myself, mind you. I don't have time to format everything as I go, but there was a plan, and in fact I have an English composition specialist, who was supposed to come behind occasionally and clean things up before we send it off the the translating agency...
Anyway, taking care of an 8-month old child leaves precious little time for wasting. Our sleepy little forum is fouled up with unfriendly posts that have nothing to do with Amigo support or development. Our WIKI is useless to us and to you. The idea was to feed you some finished documents from our work area.
my two days work you wiped out in a few minutes.
You put what I least wanted on top.
You replaced what I said with misleading and inaccurate things about umsdos, zipslack, slackware, amigo linux, amigolinux.org AND myself -after saying you didn't want to take up my valuable time! Put back what you took!

Moderators -please do not touch this thread! I have never had official contact with any person from Linux Questions except for Jeremy. I know you not! Let Jeremy see this and delete the whole thread, the whole WIKI, the whole forum, my name from the members database and every other reference to me or Amigo Linux that can be possibly removed from the LQ databases. Better to have nothing at all, rather than misleading people.
12 months ago I started foolishly posting on LQ, wasting my time helping others. See those 900+ posts? About 700 are on the Slackware forum from before the Amigo forum started. Follow some of those threads. See hundreds of posts where I've spent hours researching and writing to help someone. NEVER ONCE have I been reprimanded, censored or any other way told that I was a 'problem'. At least, Moderators, when they moderate, intervene or whatever, should identify themselves as monitors. Why should I 'jump' when someone whose blurb says 'Member' rags me about some WIKI page I don't even know about?
My wife works and pays my internet bill. This forum, the WIKI, were supposed to take a little work OFF of me, so that I could prepare a distro for release on CD and help out with a few beans around the house once in awhile. Thanks for helping make this absolutely impossible on LQ.

Last edited by gnashley; 12-17-2004 at 05:39 PM.
 
Old 12-17-2004, 07:25 PM   #5
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Well. That could have gone better.

Where to start? First off, I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear that I was a mod at the LQwiki. The reason I don't show up as a mod here is that I'm not a mod at the LQ. I'm a mod only at the LQwiki - here I'm a normal member.

Secondly, my criticism was meant to be constructive. You don't have to help out with the wiki if you don't want to. If you do want to, it would help everybody if you go along with the pre-exisiting conventions, yourself included. I realize that these conventions are not obvious too someone new to either a particular wiki or wikis in general, especially since they tend to be unwritten.

This was why I took the trouble of explaining my actions here. I was trying to help a new contributor, who could be a very valuable asset to our little wiki, get their bearings.

My rewrite of the article was an attempt to get the article to conform better to the established conventional form for distro articles. That is the point of a wiki - any page, outside of the userpages, is owned by the entire community of the wiki. Any member of the wiki can edit a page at will. Hopefully, the end result is a compromise document that the entire community can be proud of.

The factual errors in that version of the article were purely the result of my ignorance, not malice. After I get off work, I intend to revert the article back to my version and correct those errors, based on your posts here. This is precisely why your aid would be so valuable to us - to keep us from getting off on the wrong track through ignorance.

I agree that your development work takes first place. There are many who can provide support and documentation. There are not many who can do the work you are doing in developing Amigo Linux.

Providing tech support and documentation aid is definitely a time sink. However, I still believe we can work to our mutual advantage, if you are willing.

Sir, I deeply, sincerely, and humbly apologize to you for the offense I have caused, and to Jeremy for bringing strife to his forum.
 
  


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