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rainydayshirt 08-12-2017 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5747656)
It was never an expectation that a fresh Slackware install would be capable of rebuilding all of its packages.

Isn't that literally the point of the sources DVD? You can recompile any included software using just the full Slackware install and the sources. Thats the impression I got from the main site, SlackDocs, manual pages, etc.

montagdude 08-12-2017 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rainydayshirt (Post 5747671)
Isn't that literally the point of the sources DVD? You can recompile any included software using just the full Slackware install and the sources. Thats the impression I got from the main site, SlackDocs, manual pages, etc.

I agree, that would be a departure from the norm. As far as I know, any of the Slackware sources should be rebuild-able with a full Slackware install and nothing more (though I've never tried rebuilding all of them, so I could be wrong).

a4z 08-13-2017 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 5747528)
ESR stands just for Extended Support Release, nothing magic here, you know... ;)

I agree that may make sense to go ESR in a stable release, BUT the current stay on top of many other included software, anyways...

If we want really those old good versions, maybe we should NOT jump always on the latest X.org, consequently breaking every time the AMD drivers, BTW... :D

see ESR more as a LTS, and the other one, firefox current, as a developer snapshot. No magic here. ;)
if you put a non LTS into current, and than want to stabilize for release, you might what to go down with the version number, or ship an unstable package with Slackware, or adopt to the release cycle of the whole distribution to the release cycle from FF.
So this is a different situation to your comparison with xorg, no magic here, just details, BTW ... :D
also, and this is why i prefer ESR, ff-current breaks plugins from time to time, and I know a lot of users that have changed because of this to chrome.
Mozilla made a huge mistake by making their current branch to the 'default' one, and the ESR to only those who know about it.
It should have been precise vice versa, than firefox would not have that big loss on users, which hey have.
Mozilla made its users to beta testers, and frustrated a lot of plugin authors with their unstable and unpredictable development plans. The shrinking user numbers are the result.

dugan 08-13-2017 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rainydayshirt (Post 5747671)
Isn't that literally the point of the sources DVD? You can recompile any included software using just the full Slackware install and the sources. Thats the impression I got from the main site, SlackDocs, manual pages, etc.

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Originally Posted by montagdude (Post 5747683)
I agree, that would be a departure from the norm. As far as I know, any of the Slackware sources should be rebuild-able with a full Slackware install and nothing more (though I've never tried rebuilding all of them, so I could be wrong).

As far as I know, that's a misconception. I'm going by this quote from Pat:

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We give you the exact sources that were used to compile the packages. There's no guarantee that these sources will compile under any arbitrary development environment (including any particular version of Slackware).
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post3978712

ttk 08-13-2017 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 5747624)
Firstly, to note that we talk about a particular web browser, and is generally considered that for web browsers the latest versions are the best. Always.

That is factually incorrect, especially with regard to Firefox. Some releases are better than others, and it's seldom a linear progression.

elcore 08-13-2017 03:45 AM

Prefer no binary repacks and no more gnome in stable tree, tbh. I'll just remove it either way because of how demanding it is.

rainydayshirt 08-13-2017 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5747728)
As far as I know, that's a misconception. I'm going by this quote from Pat:



http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post3978712

I stand corrected. Makes sense. (The thread that link is for is RIDICULOUS)

montagdude 08-13-2017 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5747728)
As far as I know, that's a misconception. I'm going by this quote from Pat:



http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...3/#post3978712

Okay, now that I looked at that thread I remember that I've heard that before. However, I still think it would be a departure from the norm for a SlackBuild script to require a certain compiler but for that compiler to not be available on Slackware at the time the package is built.

Alien Bob 08-13-2017 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by rainydayshirt (Post 5747775)
I stand corrected. Makes sense. (The thread that link is for is RIDICULOUS)

Ah, that asshole LuckyCyborg... I used the occasion to add a bit of explanatory text to the Slack Docs FAQ page: https://docs.slackware.com/slackware...d_from_scratch . I hope that it is sufficient to fend off any future trolls.

Darth Vader 08-13-2017 01:15 PM

Eric, good to know that a well know fact about Slackware (that it is not rebuild-able from its given sources) it is also stated officially. ;)

But, what is your opinion about the Pigzilla Firehog shipped by Slackware even in its development tree?

Also, you consider to be normal for a web browser to eat 3.5GB memory or something really stinks?

As a Slackware Team insider, maybe you can enlighten us... :D

Darth Vader 08-13-2017 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ttk (Post 5747733)
That is factually incorrect, especially with regard to Firefox. Some releases are better than others, and it's seldom a linear progression.

Just install and use the 55.x version, and you will see that it is dramatic superior from all points of view... ;)

dugan 08-13-2017 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 5747865)
Also, you consider to be normal for a web browser to eat 3.5GB memory or something really stinks?

You weren't talking to me, but...

yeah that's normal.

Darth Vader 08-13-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5747871)
yeah that's normal.

Then, how you explain that three major versions later, same software manage to do the same job using around 500MB ?

Alien Bob 08-13-2017 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 5747865)
Eric, good to know that a well know fact about Slackware (that it is not rebuild-able from its sources) it is also stated officially. ;)

But, what is your opinion about the Pigzilla Firehog shipped by Slackware even in its development tree?

Also, you consider to be normal for a web browser to eat 3.5GB memory or something really stinks?

As a Slackware Team insider, maybe you can enlighten us... :D

Well... I do not use Firefox, so I have no opinion to share on this.

Gerard Lally 08-13-2017 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Vader (Post 5747879)
Then, how you explain that three major versions later, same software manage to do the same job using around 500MB ?

Do add-ons like uMatrix, uBlock Origin and Tree Style Tabs work with this latest Firefox? They're the reason I use Firefox. Memory use is not an issue for me because I have 32GB but the plugins definitely are an issue. Perhaps Pat has this in mind?


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