I personally watched what Red Hat's big backer do for the fastest computer in the world after watching them complain about hardware and the software and how to control it. The NCSA finally said hey you either going to build this thing or give the grant money back. years of wasted time.
Cray stepped in and asked the software developers how can we help with building the controller. In what way can we support you. This was never heard before. AMD and Nvidia stepped in with Cray and the system came to life very fast. That is called team work. And it booted Linux. http://hardware-beta.slashdot.org/st...er-blue-waters The fact is IBM treated the developers of the software for the hardware like they where numbers. Cray does support it was amazing how fast it went online. Having a chance to talk to people that are very close to the project it was never about the money it was a hardware issue and how to control the hardware. when asked what Cray and NCSA would use for a operating system it was The Linux kernel. There is a big deal how we handle the start up process with linux. You would think Red Hat's backer would have learned by now. |
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I added the bold to highlight why I will never buy a RHT product. Lurking the systemd-devel lists shows a lot of ugliness. Transparency cuts both ways, asshats. |
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they (the kernel ppl) are talking about rate limiting /dev/kmsg is a ring buffer, and the problem was systemd dumped too much data in it in a short time I, as an electrician, think the fault was more on systemd as spamming anything anywhere is basically DoS-ing the destination |
The systemd philosophy has always been the same e.g. 'we're obviously right and everyone else needs to fall in line'. I've no idea why there are so many vehement apologists floating around on forums...
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1) systemd devs are ALWAYS right and ALWAYS know what is right, unlike mere mortals. 2) bugs are NEVER the responsibility or concern of systemd devs, for systemd devs are transcendental, they are on a different plane of existence, and so cannot have anything to do with nasty, despicable bugs. 3) systemd devs are required to respond in short, arrogant, dismissive phrases, it's part of their ethos and charm. |
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That aside, I don't think these guys are trying to "destroy Linux" and I don't believe they'd put all that effort into it if they were. I do think a less dismissive attitude on their part would go a long way towards reducing hostilities, as well as making things more modular so that the hard dependency is less. |
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systemd source folder: 4,273 Files in 215 Folders, 38.6MB. SystemV init source: 68 Files, 5 Folders, 536KB. Someone desperately needs to go read this touring lecture: http://larch-www.lcs.mit.edu:8001/~corbato/turing91/ There's a section of ESR's unix book that applies here to. But, I'm done posting about it until I have to time to sort out what is all actually running in PID1. The source is pretty tangled. |
It seems systemd fanboy Greg yanked down his topic on Google+ citing "You all suck!"
I think I now can see why people like Linus and Theo from OpenBSD are ass holes to people. Because they tire quickly of people like Kay and Lennart who think they're God's gift to their operating systems with shoddy code and cheap hacks. Plus its a good insight into the mentality and maturity behind this... Or the lack thereof. |
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I can build GCC with C, C++ and not everything else. Or I can add Fortran, or Golang, or PL/I, or D. In the kernel I can build support for x, y or z in any combination. This lack of modularity is often the number 1 complaint. I saw lennard chew out one guy just because he wanted to use ulibc instead of glibc, he was building for embedded. "Not our problem, doesn't contain features we use." That guy was probably excited to give systemd a try on embedded until he walked into that flaming. All because he wanted an interop with an alternate POSIX lib. What a shame... |
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