Yes I had the same idea
I have asked on slamd64's forum what dose KDE 3.5 depend on
out side of the /slamd64/KDE-3.5 directory
about 4days ago no one has replied so far

well
I guess ugly is in the eye of the beholder
to me it looks like something from romper room

better yet I will give you an example the terminal emulator from KDE 3.5 would be just fine
but even using xfce the software suite from KDE is still badly broken

Rob,

I haven't used KDE 4.x enough to verify that it still works, but previously (3.5.4), if you get into the wrong submenu, press ESCAPE while on the menu.

For each ESCAPE, it will back-up one submenu/tree.

Good luck with this on 4.x

Sasha

Just to stir the fire a bit (I know... I am bad about that). But I remember when Windoze XP was released. Everyone was so angry about how poorly it was written, and how hard it was to navigate, and especially the crazy color scheme. One of the biggest gripes I saw was people complaining about the start menu. Now, if the majority of those users tried to go back to Win 98/2000 and tried doing things there, certain things would drive people nuts. This is what we get with change. I have been using KDE 4.1.0 on my laptop (the last package that someone created that would coexist with KDE 3 (and I am still running 12.1 on here), and I am running 12.2 on my VM and have upgraded the KDE packages as far as 4.2.2. I have seen great strides in functionality. There are some major differences. Some of which I am still not to keen on. But overall, this has been a great stride forward. It will just take a while for the masses to deem it that way. And on my laptop 4.1 was pretty stable, and that is with effects on on my lowly Intel 855 graphics. However... there are now features on KDE 4 that I severely miss when I go back to KDE 3. And one of the major ones is actually the scrolling in the konsole with my mouse while using less. I do a lot of work on the konsole as well and I haven't noticed anything major. I don't like how when you only have two tabs open they span the screen, but there could be an option somewhere for max width (although I haven't dug into it).

The point I am trying to get across, is so many people push away change. Whether it is for the better or not. As many have said... if KDE 3 could do it, there is probably a way to get KDE 4 to do it.

</step off pedestal>

When you're in a sub-menu, there is an arrow on the grey left-side bar. Click on it and you're back.

but why on earth was this alpha version included in slackware
before this slackware could be counted on to have only mature fully debugged and polished software
KDE 3.5 should be an option until 4.xx is ready for prime time ( at least 2years from now maybe 3 )

KDE 4.2 belongs in testing NOT in the main distro without the option of of a working KDE
this is a huge chunk of the system to be broken
so badly
KDE 4.2 is so bad it makes the best distro there ever was nothing more than a toy distro

I agree, for what it's worth. One of them should be in /testing or /extra.

But that, that's just a ridiculous overstatement: there's so much more to Slackware than KDE x.x.x that it's just simply ridiculous.

Sasha

With my touchpad, I find that System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Mouse -> General and Single-click to open files and folders works well.

If that is the way you feel, there is nothing stopping you going off and using some other distro. In fact, that may well be the best thing for you to do. Might I suggest a point and click OS from Redmond!

This is far from the Alpha version. And yes, I do know what you meant by that. The big problem that I think is causing a lot of strife with the linux community is the way that KDE decided to do their versions. But they made it clear from the beginning that 4.0 was not supposed to be for regular end-users, but way too many distros hopped on the train and included it. Which in turn made many users angry that KDE would have the audacity to release buggy code like that, even though they specifically stated it that the code was not meant to be stable.

Now I am sure this whole discussion took place when KDE went from 2.x to 3.x, but that was before my time in Linux (and probably a similar one when Gnome was dropped). One problem you have with a distro like Slack (if you see this as a problem), is your opinion is meaningless. It is all the vision of Pat. And he felt that KDE 4 was already running great and a worthwhile replacement around the release of 12.2 (I don't remember if it was the /testing version that he was refering to, or if it was shortly after the beginning stages of development of 13.0). As with any major rewriting of code, it takes a lot to get things back to a functional stage. But to get it to the level that KDE 3.5.10 had only a year after release is ridiculous. KDE 3.0 was originally released in April of 2002, and the 3.5.x series was released in November of 2005.

There wasn't any innovation being done with the 3.5 series, and if nothing is done, it stagnates. So something obviously had to be done. Now comes the problem of when to upgrade. There are many programs out there that have ceased development on the 3.5.x series of KDE and have ported or rewrote their applications to work with KDE 4. So how does Pat decide when to alienate some users?? On either end of the spectrum it is going to happen. I am sure when Pat didn't include KDE 4 in prior releases people started distro-hopping to find one that did, just like since he has decided to not include the 3.5.x series, that people will will do the same thing, but to find a distro still using 3.5.x. Or maybe we will get some community supported versions of KDE 3.5.x just like with gnome, but only time will tell on that. I think there is a fine line between stability and old/stale and new/bleeding-edge software sometimes. I think the way Patrick has done this is well done.

Also the KDE 4.3.x series is more of a polishing than a feature release, which is what I feel the subsequent versions of 3.5.x were.

KDE 4 runs faster and smoother than KDE 3 does on my laptop and my laptop is around 5 years old (Centrino 1.6, 1GB, 64MB shared vram with Intel 855 video). And this was the KDE 4.1 release. It also runs extremely smooth in my VM. The Alpha that you are mentioning, I have not seen. It has been an extremely stable DE and I am excited to see what 4.2.4 has to offer when 13.0 is released.

I think rob.rice, for the time being, should switch to Slamd64 12.2 for a 64-bit distro with KDE 3.5.
GNOME 2.26 is also available for Slamd64 12.2 through Gnome SlackBuild and Dropline.

Plenty of choices, and no one is holding a gun to your head.

Speaking of KDE4 workarounds, how do you:

add applications to a panel?

get rid of the monstrous comment boxes that appear when the cursor is over a panel icon?

I'm currently using 4.2.4. I will try 4.3, but will very likely return to 3.5.

To add an application to the panel, right-click on it in the K menu, there are several options like "make it favorite", "add to panel". I'm sorry but I'm using the french version so I'm not sure that the labels I mentioned are correct but you get the point.

Also if you right-click on the panel, you will have the opportunity to set options for the panel but I can not give you more detail now because I'm not on my Slackware machine right now.

I blasphemed a lot when 4.x hit my screen. Now I can't even think about going back to 3.x. Don't know... Seems like I have more space to work when all those files and shortcuts vanished from the desktop (and yes, I know we can have back the old behavior and even the old kickoff). 4.2.4 is working flawlessly for months, and is being fast. It's beautiful and functional for me. Some times I'm compelled to almost lick my monitor (aarrgh!). Only hopping the team can untie akonadi+mysql from 4.x.

To be more specific, this works only in the kickoff menu (not the classic), right-click on the app (not the kickoff menu button). I don't know how to add apps to the panel when using the classic menu.

In KDE 3.5 this was called mouseover effects in the panel config box (located in the Appearance section, next to the Show tooltips check box). The line item in kickerrc was in the [buttons] section and called EnableIconZoom. I haven't found the equivalent yet in KDE 4 and the mouseover effects bug me too. Anybody know how to disable the mouseover effects in the panel?