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there are already many applications that do not run on 32bit any more
and the duple effort with 32bit becomes more and more annoying,
for example, submitting a Sackbuild to Slackbuilds.org
I need an extra VM for something I will never use and no one other should use.
Best would be Slackware would have buildin 32bit support out of the box, to be able to run 32bit applications without needing 3rd party (Eric's) stuff
and forgets about the 32bit distribution.
seriously, whatever old 32bit machine is running, replace it with a raspery or beagle bone, that's better for the environment.
But at least I wish a 32bit buldin by default at Christmas :-)
You want Slackware 32bit releases to stop, so you don't have to work so hard as a SlackBuild script maintainer. But you do want that Slackware should still offer full 32bit support - as part of a multilib setup, thereby shifting the burden to Pat.
Either you want, or you don't want, 32bit support. Make up your mind.
I also maintain a few SlackBuilds. Of course, this thought has crossed my mind. However, it is very rare that the 32bit compilation will require specific tweaking of the SlackBuild (but it has happened). In case I cannot find a solution (most recent example is this), I just leave the 32bit architecture as UNSUPPORTED. Also, there are some 32bit programs I do use. One is Adobe Reader (I know about alternatives, but some PDF forms require it), another one is AmplifX.
Having a good time at the office Christmas party are we?
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seriously, whatever old 32bit machine is running, replace it with a raspery or beagle bone, that's better for the environment.
Not really a suitable replacement for the 32-bit netbook that I regularly use. During my daily commute there are no power points for a power supply and I like a workable keyboard and display. I also like having full-size ports, rather than carrying a myriad of adapter cables.
Sheesh, the world revolves around me attitude, it just keeps becoming more prevalent.
You want Slackware 32bit releases to stop, so you don't have to work so hard as a SlackBuild script maintainer. But you do want that Slackware should still offer full 32bit support - as part of a multilib setup, thereby shifting the burden to Pat.
Either you want, or you don't want, 32bit support. Make up your mind.
the main point was to deliver 32 bit with the 64bit distribution out of the box, multilib per default.
but of course, you focus on the other part of what I have written, and that is clearly also a valid point.
and make so much noise that the main topic goes away.
thanks for this, Eric.
I also maintain a few SlackBuilds. Of course, this thought has crossed my mind. However, it is very rare that the 32bit compilation will require specific tweaking of the SlackBuild (but it has happened). In case I cannot find a solution (most recent example is this), I just leave the 32bit architecture as UNSUPPORTED. Also, there are some 32bit programs I do use. One is Adobe Reader (I know about alternatives, but some PDF forms require it), another one is AmplifX.
thanks, than I will in future make the same.
the 32 bit programs should be buildable per default on Slackware, without requiren an extra multilib installation from a 3rd party.
of course, after reading the first messages I do not expect that this will happen, but maybe there will be a miracle.
Having a good time at the office Christmas party are we?
Not really a suitable replacement for the 32-bit netbook that I regularly use. During my daily commute there are no power points for a power supply and I like a workable keyboard and display. I also like having full-size ports, rather than carrying a myriad of adapter cables.
Sheesh, the world revolves around me attitude, it just keeps becoming more prevalent.
sory for forgetting your 32-bit netbook
for those who did not get it, the point was getting multilib into Slackware, if 32 bit exists or not ir irrelevant,
if I mark slackbuilds in future 32 bit unsupported because I can not test them, who cars
so no need for you die hard what ever change request comes freak out hard-liner to overreact, thanks.
If 32-bit is dying, why have it in 64-bit? Multilib has always been a horrible hack.
if you want performance you run 32bit application on 64bit machines, but you don't know about that, right?
not your 32bit netbook world, hm,
So please, if you have nothing other to add than false info, stop pollution this thread, thanks!
the main point was to deliver 32 bit with the 64bit distribution out of the box, multilib per default.
but of course, you focus on the other part of what I have written, and that is clearly also a valid point.
and make so much noise that the main topic goes away.
thanks for this, Eric.
Yes, but you launch the 2018 troll before 2018 .....
seriously, whatever old 32bit machine is running, replace it with a raspery or beagle bone, that's better for the environment.
It will probably consume far more power to make (and bring) a new device than the supplement the old will consume for the rest of its life.
Plus, here I have an old AMD-Duron box I use as a NAS where I plug all the IDE HDDs I can't use anywhere else. Therefore I'm happy my favorite OS has a 32bits flavor, because it makes me things very simple to configure and maintain.
the main point was to deliver 32 bit with the 64bit distribution out of the box, multilib per default.
but of course, you focus on the other part of what I have written, and that is clearly also a valid point.
and make so much noise that the main topic goes away.
thanks for this, Eric.
Patrick has repeatedly stated that Slackware64 will not become a multilib solution. And as long as there is a (large) part of the world where old hardware is all they have, a 32bit distro will be welcomed. So there is still an audience for 32bit Slackware, especially so because other distros are closing the door on these people.
I personally believe that 32bit software has a limited lifespan, and future Slackware releases may switch to 64bit only. When that time comes, I will also stop providing multilib packages because there are will no longer be original 32bit Slackware packages that I can convert. And I am not going to maintain a 32bit spin-off.
Patrick has repeatedly stated that Slackware64 will not become a multilib solution.
we are living in a changing world, and from time to time it is time to reflect and check if yesterday statements need to be adjusted. If this does not happen, we have a case of fundamentalism.
There are parts that should not be 3rd party, and multilib is definitely one of them, if not the essential part.
Especially when more and more say no 32 bit anymore, if you need 32 bit software, run it on 64 bit platform.
That a hardware vendor like nvidia joins the club saying so creates definitely a new situation, so time for reflection.
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And as long as there is a (large) part of the world where old hardware is all they have, a 32bit distro will be welcomed. So there is still an audience for 32bit Slackware, especially so because other distros are closing the door on these people.
I personally believe that 32bit software has a limited lifespan, and future Slackware releases may switch to 64bit only. When that time comes, I will also stop providing multilib packages because there are will no longer be original 32bit Slackware packages that I can convert. And I am not going to maintain a 32bit spin-off.
good point, thanks Eric, and I am fine with this. Especially when it is OK and accepted that I can use unsupported for whatever slackbuild I make. but this is up to the SBo guys to decide and I might ask on the sbo list, so no need to discuss this here.
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