[SOLVED] Absolute Linux (lightweight Slackware distro) source tree available?

Holering · 02-12-2014, 08:28 PM

Anyone know the slackbuilds location for absolute linux? Mainly interested in the checkinstall, pcmanfm, rox, and icewm slackbuilds. Thanks!

Regards

willysr · 02-12-2014, 08:42 PM

i think you are asking in the wrong place

Woodsman · 02-12-2014, 09:14 PM

Start looking here:

http://www.absolutelinux.org/

Alien Bob · 02-13-2014, 07:11 AM

As far as I know, Absolute Linux does not make its package sources available - which would mean that it is non-compliant with the software licenses.

Eric

Slax-Dude · 02-13-2014, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Alien Bob

As far as I know, Absolute Linux does not make its package sources available - which would mean that it is non-compliant with the software licenses.

Eric

Well they are available, as stated here (read last lines).

willysr · 02-13-2014, 11:53 AM

But the license stated that all modifications should be provided as well
the last statement

Quote:

(I've got it all somewhere

means that it's not public and you have to ask him to get it

Holering · 02-13-2014, 01:08 PM

www.pcbypaul.com is dormant.

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Originally Posted by Last lines of Absolute Linux Copyright.txt

if you want the source
code to something included in Absolute Linux simply email me at:
psherma1@rochester.rr.com.
(I've got it all somewhere

Looks like I have to email the author.

Thanks!

Slax-Dude · 02-14-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by willysr

means that it's not public and you have to ask him to get it

It doesn't specify HOW it is made available.

If I make modifications to a GPL licensed code and make them available only by sending a paper hard copy to anyone who asks me, I'm still complying with the license.

Sure, it would be a bit dickish... but legal.

55020 · 02-14-2014, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Slax-Dude

It doesn't specify HOW it is made available. If I make modifications to a GPL licensed code and make them available only by sending a paper hard copy to anyone who asks me, I'm still complying with the license. Sure, it would be a bit dickish... but legal.

Just Plain Wrong.

Read GPLv3 section 6 (emphasis added)

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You may convey a covered work in object code form under the terms of sections 4 and 5, provided that you also convey the machine-readable Corresponding Source under the terms of this License, in one of these ways:

a) Convey the object code in, or embodied in, a physical product (including a physical distribution medium), accompanied by the Corresponding Source fixed on a durable physical medium customarily used for software interchange.
b) Convey the object code in, or embodied in, a physical product (including a physical distribution medium), accompanied by a written offer, valid for at least three years and valid for as long as you offer spare parts or customer support for that product model, to give anyone who possesses the object code either (1) a copy of the Corresponding Source for all the software in the product that is covered by this License, on a durable physical medium customarily used for software interchange, for a price no more than your reasonable cost of physically performing this conveying of source, or (2) access to copy the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge.
c) Convey individual copies of the object code with a copy of the written offer to provide the Corresponding Source. This alternative is allowed only occasionally and noncommercially, and only if you received the object code with such an offer, in accord with subsection 6b.
d) Convey the object code by offering access from a designated place (gratis or for a charge), and offer equivalent access to the Corresponding Source in the same way through the same place at no further charge. You need not require recipients to copy the Corresponding Source along with the object code. If the place to copy the object code is a network server, the Corresponding Source may be on a different server (operated by you or a third party) that supports equivalent copying facilities, provided you maintain clear directions next to the object code saying where to find the Corresponding Source. Regardless of what server hosts the Corresponding Source, you remain obligated to ensure that it is available for as long as needed to satisfy these requirements.
e) Convey the object code using peer-to-peer transmission, provided you inform other peers where the object code and Corresponding Source of the work are being offered to the general public at no charge under subsection 6d.

and GPLv2 section 3 (emphasis added)

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3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:

a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.) [... snip ...]

If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent access to copy the source code from the same place counts as distribution of the source code, even though third parties are not compelled to copy the source along with the object code.

IMO, Absolute should consider being much more careful to fulfil GPLv3 Section 6d (where GPLv3 is applicable), and/or GPLv2 Section 3's final paragraph (where GPLv2 is applicable). GPLv3 Section 6c (and/or GPLv2 Section 3c) cannot apply to modified or original material being distributed under GPLv3 (and/or GPLv2).

Being 'a bit dickish' with the GPL is *always* *very* dickish. Don't even think it.

Slax-Dude · 02-14-2014, 11:00 AM

Ok, bad example

Hehehe you got me with the "machine readable" part

But they don't specify which medium you have to use.
And "a medium customarily used for software interchange" can be anything from a git repo to a webserver.
I use email to "interchange software" all the time

GPLv3 section 6

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or (2) access to copy the Corresponding Source from a network server at no charge.

Absolute Linux supplies the source code through email at no charge, from an email server.

GPLv2 section 3

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b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange

They do have a written offer to give the source, through email.

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Originally Posted by 55020

Being 'a bit dickish' with the GPL is *always* *very* dickish. Don't even think it.

Indeed!

NatureHacker · 09-15-2015, 12:28 AM

Does slackware follow its own rules and make it's source code available?

astrogeek · 09-15-2015, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NatureHacker

Hypocrites
Does slackware follow its own rules and make it's source code available? Or do you just get off on condemning yourselves? I think we all know who the "dickish" are here.

How to win friends and influence people?

Personal attacks and name calling are childish and immature, and interestingly enough, against LQ rules... please don't do that.

Also, waking a year-and-a-half old thread as your introductory post just to hurl a baseless insult at a very large part of the LQ community is... at the very least, no-class, but polite words fail.

So, I will not extend the usual "Welcome to LQ" at this time, but will ask you to please reconsider whatever reasons you may have had for joining, and read the LQ rules...

If you want to stay and participate constructively, you will find a welcome waiting at that time.

55020 · 09-15-2015, 01:38 AM

And, joyous irony, our new friend has a macos icon. Where oh where can I get all the BSD-licensed source for macos? Cupertino? a Slackware mirror, in the 'source' folder? Woz? Jordan Hubbard? The sealed, lead lined box where esr keeps his tact and finesse? Richard Stallman's sock drawer? Darl McBride's unicorn stable? Soviet Russia? The planet Zzbzz?

Alien Bob · 09-15-2015, 02:52 AM

Have not seen anyone in a long time that is so clueless and at the same time so moronic and arrogant as our little fellow "NatureHacker". One for the blacklist.

kikinovak · 09-15-2015, 03:07 AM

On a side note: I gave AbsoluteLinux a spin a few years ago. Back then, its source tree was freely available IIRC, since I used some of its hacks for my Slick Linux project (which has become MLED). Paul Sherman made quite a nice job with his lightweight IceWM desktop and nicely integrated apps. Curious detail: with all this, Absolute Linux made you run your desktop as root (as per its documentation). I tried to convince Paul this was a very bad idea, but I failed.