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Old Yesterday, 04:50 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu View Post
Interesting thread, we could easily have one "The case for Firefox". I would venture to put myself in that camp, been using it since Netscape days, also enjoy SeaMonkey (glad to see a recent update). I do play with Chromium from time to time to see what they are up to etc... But Firefox still remains my "more trusted" browser. The more Google proves they are evil or at least became so, the more "The case for Firefox" becomes relevant.
I've also used it since the "Netscape days", though Mozilla 1.x, the early Phoenix and Firebird releases of Firefox, through to the present day - and it's getting to the point where I've quite honestly had enough.

All browsers are bad, but the search for an alternative, which is not a privacy and security disaster, not bankrolled by google and not some snake oil product (usually a "fork") making dubious claims about what it can do, seems a futile one...

If I can't stomach any more idiocy from Mozilla, I will have to just use a chromium fork and like it.
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Originally Posted by cwizardone View Post
KDE-5 is just plain a** unattractice. Yes, I know that is subjective, but after several attempts, I will NEVER use it
Actually KDE5 is quite brilliant and it looks quite nice, not perfect, but nice. But the practical aspects of it is fantastic, and it's more modular than KDE4. One can only hope they keep moving in this direction and make KDE6 completely modular so it can be scaled up from a minimal window manager to a full desktop while continuing to be fully constomizable and offering the best window/desktop management in the business.

Originally Posted by folkenfanel View Post
Wish that there was a QT port of Firefox - I personally spent lots of time just to make GTK+3 usable (readable), since the browsers I use are still GTK+3 dependent (Tor Browser and Waterfox). But paraphrasing an old song, I know that some day (sooner than later) all that work will go to the trash when the GTK+3 team decides to "upgrade" their CSS API, once again.
Sadly GTK looks really ugly side by side with QT and KDE, which makes Firefox look ugly in KDE. KDE have managed to override some GTK stuff though, so it's not as bad as it used to be.

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Originally Posted by zeebra View Post
Actually KDE5 is quite brilliant and it looks quite nice, not perfect, but nice........
Brilliant? You must be British?
I wouldn't call it "brilliant," but I've been using AlienBob's most recent KDE-5 packages the last couple of days and I would say it has finally "matured" to the point I could use it as my daily desktop environment, IF there wasn't a viable alternative, such as Xfce.
Everything I've tried to do with it worked. Even Sweeper, which hasn't worked in the past.
I'm still not impressed with its intrusiveness, i.e., scattering dozens and dozens of configuration files all over the hard drive. Its settings still show up among Xfce's "Application Autostart" options, but it no longer overrides the Xfce themes.
However, this time it altered the Xfce sound settings. By that I mean while I had sound in Xfce, I could no longer control the volume and the Xfce PulseAudio plugin was dead in the water, i.e., inoperable.
Other than, as I've said before, it should replace KDE-4 in -current. Just my opinion, of course.

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Originally Posted by zeebra View Post
I wonder why Mozilla jumped on this silly fashion trend. It puts questions marks around the whole browser if the Firefox team cannot hold their own ground and do their own thing and have their own integrity. Jumping on stupid fashion trends? Do they even have their own personality anymore or are they just tossed around with the wind? It certainly makes it clear that Mozilla is no fortress standing their own ground.
I think it is pretty obvious it was due to Chrome's versioning. Sometimes people just get caught up in version numbers. Even Slackware did that in its early days.

But I do agree that Mozilla has probably lost their personality. I think this is largely due to them sitting pretty at the top after climbing the very difficult mountain over IE. They did something few thought possible, overtaking IE. They opened up the gates for alternate browsers on Windows. They sat at the top only to be blindsided by Chrome taking their marketshare. I'm a recruiter for the Air Force and I had a supervisor that told me to never recruit desperate, because people can tell. I feel that Firefox was desperate to gain back marketshare and that's why they started mimicking so much of Chrome. Firefox is still much more configurable than Chrome and will likely always be that way (at least, I hope it does). I don't think it is as bad now, but it was a little painful to watch. There's still a lot of choices Firefox made

But I am glad that there's competition in the browser world. It's helped improve all browsers. I do still think it's funny that Firefox was spun out of Netscape, because Netscape was getting bloated, and now Seamonkey, the successor to Netscape, is considered the less bloated browser from Mozilla devs (and it still has a browser, email client, and HTML editor).
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