Windows Vista ..??..
 

Had a chance to look at windows vista. They didn't even bother to file off the serial numbers, so to speak. But it was buggy as all get out when I looked at a january beta.

Me? I'm sticking with Linux. Fedora, to be exact.

I'm glad they at least seem to be trying.
Remember, your average Windows user is not going to know about any special firewalls, how hacking actually works, or how to remove spyware, let alone even recognize it. I've spoken and worked with these people, they find installing things to take too tediously long. Trying to educate these people won't work. They just aren't interested. Therefore the maker of what actually controls these people's computers has a responsibility to enforce security.

Thats a good point. But I don't know if I can totally agree with your or not. After all, isn't most of Linux's security controls built in?? I think it more of a 50/50 split. The writer of the software should be just a worried about security as the user should. He wrote the code, and he should write it properly, but on the other hand the user should safe about what he downloads, installs, runs, etc.

Yes, but Windows, by its very nature, is minimalistic. No, I'm not talking about the limited range of included apps, but rather about how security is fundamentally implemented in the kernel, registry, etc. *nix was FUNDAMENTALLY DESIGNED with security in the first place. Think about it: UNIX has always been an advanced network operating system for use in advanced environments. Linux takes after that. There's nothing wrong with how Windows is designed, it's just that it was designed with what the average computer user is going to need -- or not going to need, which in this case is advanced networking and security tools built in -- as when it WAS first being designed there was no threat of cracking from all around the world, only the cracking on private networks, which Windows was not meant for at the time. Microsoft kind of had to implement security features when they were needed -- therefore, there is no integration, and any "built-in" security features need to come from actual seperate programs. Let's be fair here, Windows does need to play catch-up to Linux when it comes to advanced security.

I'll agree with that. Linux does have more built in security that is without a doubt true.

I trust linux security more though. It's been tried and tested for years

Not that I don't believe your or anything, but how much has Linux's security really been tested?
I saw recently on the news where a guy put up an Apple Server running Mac OSX as a test to see how well it would stand up against an open invatation. The guy that hacked it said he had complete user level privilages within half an hour. I know thats not Linux but OSX is another Unix based operating system. Has the strength of security that Linux provides really been tested?

At the end of the day it all depends on the user and how well the system has been set up. There are plenty of ways around any defences you just need to shut those off.
Plus I know its a bad thing to say, but the mere fact that there are so many out there who don't know what they are doing that they are easier targets takes the focus away from us. With windows being more commonly used by the home user it is more commonly targetted too.

This report on the Register might interest you.

Of course, security is very much dependent on how well set up the system is, as has already been pointed out.

Thats a good website, thanks!

WhiteRaceUnited? Are you serious?

I'm not sure. I am concerned though. I'll e-mail a mod to see what the policy is on offensive handles.

i didn't think rednecks knew how to use computers

Ignore racists - they're generally attention whores and the best solution is to simply ignore them.

This goes for "civil rights activists" too. If people just tried to set an example themselves racism as a whole would be well behind us.

I don't care how fancy it looks, how secure they claim it is, or how much faster. The fact still remains I will never pay those ridicoulous prices they ask, whether it it be from my wallet or my pride. Penguin Power!!!