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Gogul 06-12-2006 10:25 AM

I'm interested myself. You know I would like to see a computer system designed to be heavily upgraded with older computer parts, as well the obvious benefits just think of the money you could save!

Dralnu 06-12-2006 07:28 PM

I'm Googling a HOWTO/FAQ right now. I heard it mentioned before, so it may take some effort to track down the actual proccess to set-up such a system.

If anyone else knows how to do this sort of thing, then by all means, POST IT!




P.S. Take that, M$!

Gogul 06-12-2006 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dralnu
I'm Googling a HOWTO/FAQ right now. I heard it mentioned before, so it may take some effort to track down the actual proccess to set-up such a system.

If anyone else knows how to do this sort of thing, then by all means, POST IT!




P.S. Take that, M$!

I love this guy! :D

think I'll do a search myself actually and see if I can contribute

Dralnu 06-13-2006 12:44 AM

I havn't found anything that seemed to be very helpful (most of it was people trying to SELL systems, and not how to build one).

If someone has the stuff to do it, I'd suggest trying it out. Grab some CAT5 cables, hook them up, and set them up on a network. Use a central PC (preferably one of the faster ones) as a hub that handles some of the bigger operations, then say you start to compile a kernel. Send that proccess over to PCA (your second-fastest) with a personalized proccess name (i.e. kernel_compile_2.6.16), and have a script that would, when a proccess completes, it checks the name to a list (in this case, we'll use RE_TRANS_LIST) to see to what PC that proccess should go. Lets say it transfers it back to the CPC (Central Personal Computer), and saves it into /boot/kernel-2.6.16. During this, you start a download of, say, all the Debian ISOs, and redirect that to PCD (one of oyur slower PCs that can handle the load), leaving CPC with 0% CPU usage. Write up a script to check personalize proccess IDs, add in a list (REPORT_COMPLETE in this case) so that once a proccess finishes, it sends a message to CPC to the effect of "Debian ISO #1 Finished. Moving on to ISO #2.

Ok, for a standard PC this isn't too big a task, but lets try this:

You're compiling the object files before linking them (I havn't dealt with this kind of thing before, so bear with me), and lets say total program src folder size is, say, 2GB (complex database in this case lets say). You use a command like:

compile_objects *.cc | split_operation PCA;PCB;PCC;PCD | return_operation | compile_linked_exe

Set up the configuration scripts to split these files by a pre-designed order (bigger files to faster PC, smaller to smaller PCs, for instance), and once the files are sent all sent, they all (in this case, possibly 2 at onces, depending on PC) start compiling. Once a file is finished, the files are then transfered back to CPC, and the message is echoed into as well as being redirected into a log. Upon file being received, it checkes the list of received files to a log (we'll call it ALL_LOG here), and see how many are missing. Lets say, the last one arrives, and then the CPC links and does the final operations, while possibly sending off a 2nd set of files to be compiled.

This is kind of what I think it is the way it could be designed, and for it to work effectivly like this, one may need a 1Gb Ethernet in CPC (which is still cheaper then a new CPU, more RAM, ect.) that can handle multiple lines (I don't know if I would suggest using a cental router or switch here, but it may not cause any problems).



Keep on hunting down a HOWTO ppl, though. I got a feeling something like this done on a massive scale could turn Linux into an OS thats not only multi-user, secure, but also easily built into a supercomputer (Imaging, this with a series of P4 Dual Cores, with 2GB ram each, a 100GB HDD, no extra devices like DVD/CDs (Well, maybe a DVD drive for system work if all else fails) to inhibit it, 1GB Ethernet cards, with a dual-proccessor CPC/Server to run it all... *drools* And with M$'s "new" OS, it will be cheaper to build then ever before) using old hardware and sometime (more likely a weekend if such a thing is ever released as a package, otherwise might take months, depending on skill level).

Personally, I'm thinking of raiding a used PC store near here for old PCs that still have old Pentiums (not even 2s) and 64MB RAM if anyone can ever figure out how to do this well.

Dralnu 06-13-2006 01:13 AM

BINGO (I think).

Its called a "cluster" (knew it had to have been done before), and the site I found on it is here:

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http://www.rgs.uky.edu/odyssey/sprin...computers.html

That covers the creation of Cluster (plus has a 9 monitor (I think they look like 17") image of Tux, which is BADASS).

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http://www.cns.nyu.edu/events/spf/SP..._etal_1999.pdf

This may be the PDF guide we're looking for on this, but I havn't read it yet

NVM, that last post is on the Brain :-P. I'll leave it, but its deep (and may interest someone, who knows)

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http://www.mcsr.olemiss.edu/bookshel...a_cluster.html

HOWTO build a Beowolf Linux CLuster :)

http://beowulf.org/

Thats the Beowolf website itself

[Googled Building a Cluster. Go figure]

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http://www.clusterworld.com/article....5/06/29/123217

That site may or may not work. I got an error, but it may have been a temp thing

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http://arrakis.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ps2/cluster.php

a PS2 Cluster

(I think I hit the motherload :))

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http://www.phptr.com/articles/articl...&seqNum=3&rl=1

This may help as well.

Dralnu 06-13-2006 01:32 AM

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...65#post2289465

I've started a new threat at the previously mentioned link to help broaden the audence and move it somewhere a bit more suitable, so, please post there instead of here. I'll move my last 2 post over there to help get things started.

cayzar 06-16-2006 04:25 PM

nirmaltom,
Is linux more widely used in India then?
What flavor is most popular?

Gogul 06-17-2006 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cayzar
nirmaltom,
Is linux more widely used in India then?
What flavor is most popular?

I thought the widest market was Europe and America :confused:

cayzar 06-19-2006 02:50 PM

I meant more used in india than windows is.

Murdock1979 07-01-2006 05:00 PM

Here's some final words:

I have read a few reviews on Windows Vista. My assesment is as follows:
The security of Vista has vastly improved over previous versions of Windows. While that is good, it has come to strongly resemble security features of other operating systems, such as the sudo. But along with this comes a larger learning curve for the customer to get used to the system. I see Windows as becoming another POSIX compliant operating system. In the end, it will be easy to jump from Windows to Linux or Apple, similar to the ease of migrating from Apple to Linux or vice versa.

Dralnu 07-01-2006 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murdock1979
Here's some final words:

I have read a few reviews on Windows Vista. My assesment is as follows:
The security of Vista has vastly improved over previous versions of Windows. While that is good, it has come to strongly resemble security features of other operating systems, such as the sudo. But along with this comes a larger learning curve for the customer to get used to the system. I see Windows as becoming another POSIX compliant operating system. In the end, it will be easy to jump from Windows to Linux or Apple, similar to the ease of migrating from Apple to Linux or vice versa.

Granted I havn't looked that deeply into Vista (why would I? I run Gentoo Linux), but I don't think Windows will ever become a POSIX compliant OS. As for making it easy to jump between, M$ will never allow that, as that would start a gradual, but slow, merging over to Linux or Mac OS, and reducing their profits. As for a learning curve, I've got a feeling that the default will end up being a strict user and strict admin, and will end up with people still running as admin.

It may be quite a bit more secure (anything would be more secure then what they have almost), but Windows doesn't have the knowledge of admin/user commands, and with the still basic design flaws that seem to have carried over, plus the monstourous 2GB RAM req., it will be interesting to see what they have come up with to "improve" secutiry.

luriomer 07-02-2006 07:04 AM

Well, we are all know the goodies of open-source software- fast updates and upgrades, no spyware and viruses, and more.
I think that no closed-source software (operation systems as well), incloding windows can be better. that's my opinion...

123engineer 07-11-2006 12:37 AM

It may seem much like Linux, but then it'll still be more popular, because of the user friendly nature, and the ncie look&feel. I guess that is what makes most regular desktop users go for windows instead of Linux!

rkelsen 07-11-2006 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 123engineer
It may seem much like Linux, but then it'll still be more popular, because of the user friendly nature, and the ncie look&feel.

It's all relative mate. To my way of thinking, Windows has a painful interface. I don't know where you get this "nice look & feel" rubbish.
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Originally Posted by 123engineer
I guess that is what makes most regular desktop users go for windows instead of Linux!

The "popularity" of Windows is largely due to the fact that Microsoft practically forces OEMs to pre-install the thing. Just because something is popular, that doesn't make it good. Case in point: McDonald's restaurants. Crap food, but extremely popular.

It is almost impossible to buy a computer without Windows pre-installed. Which is why I always assemble my own computers from parts. No OS is forced upon me that way.

fraz 07-11-2006 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rkelsen
It is almost impossible to buy a computer without Windows pre-installed. Which is why I always assemble my own computers from parts. No OS is forced upon me that way.

Seems like an odd reason! No OS is unremovable. If thats your reason buy a computer and wipe the HD. The reason I build myself is a) it's cheaper i.e. more bang for your buck, b) I want to know exactly whats in there, c) it's simply just better


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