Out of range Problem with new flat monitor
 

Dear Folks,

I have just acquired an LG (model l226w) flatscreen analog monitor and being a fairly simple minded type I thought I'd connect it up to my debian 4 box and enjoy a nice big screen etc. However, as the system boots the usual text messages scroll up for a half minute or so (as with the old crt monitor) but then the screen goes a nasty shade of black and a message like :

'Analog out of range' 85.3 65 Hz Appears.

I reconnected the old monitor and in KDE I ran the control centre and tried some different screen resolutions and refresh rates but when I reconnect the flatscreen its always the same result.

I do have another computer which runs something called 'windows' so I guess if there is any configuration of the monitor required I could do it on that machine.

Gaphics card is radeon x600

Any help gratefully received,

Thanks
Greeb

The monitor should not need configuration, your X probably does. Refresh rates are my guess. /etc/X11/xorg.conf configures the screen settings (vertical and horizontal frequencies), look there. If there are horiz/vert rates configured, look at the manual/tech specs of the new monitor for correct values and add them there. Note that your old screen may then stop functioning (this is why SSH connections are good, you can do this from another machine over lan) if the values aren't correct for that, but the new should work.

thanks - I have this file...
 

thanks - I have this file xf86conf which seems to have a monitor section with loads of different lines containing lots of dfferent columns and I don't know what they mean - some are obviously resolutions, but I wouldn't know what to change and don't want to crash my system

Greeb

Monitor Specifications

You need to edit the configuration file and correct he Vertical and horizontal refresh rates in the config file to match the specs of the Monitor..

Heres part of my configuration, what you need to modify is highlighted in Blue..
Don't forget to backup the file before you start making changes..
cp /etc/X11/xf86conf /etc/X11/xf86conf.bak

contents of my file...
 

Thanks Farslayer, this looks really helpful, but my file looks very different to yours for some reason - (2 sections of the file posted below)

Can I get rid of some of this and where would i Put your seggestion please?

Thanks,
Greeb

# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of monitor sections may be present

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
# === mode lines based on GTF ===
# VGA @ 100Hz
# Modeline "640x480@100" 43.163 640 680 744 848 480 481 484 509 +hsync +vsync
# SVGA @ 100Hz
# Modeline "800x600@100" 68.179 800 848 936 1072 600 601 604 636 +hsync +vsync
# XVGA @ 100Hz
# Modeline "1024x768@100" 113.309 1024 1096 1208 1392 768 769 772 814 +hsync +vsync
# 1152x864 @ 60Hz
# Modeline "1152x864@60" 81.642 1152 1216 1336 1520 864 865 868 895 +hsync +vsync
# 1152x864 @ 85Hz
# Modeline "1152x864@85" 119.651 1152 1224 1352 1552 864 865 868 907 +hsync +vsync
# 1152x864 @ 100Hz
# Modeline "1152x864@100" 143.472 1152 1232 1360 1568 864 865 868 915 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x960 @ 75Hz
# Modeline "1280x960@75" 129.859 1280 1368 1504 1728 960 961 964 1002 +hsync +vsync
# 1280x960 @ 100Hz
# Modeline "1280x960@100" 178.992 1280 1376 1520 1760 960 961 964 1017 +hsync +vsync
# SXGA @ 100Hz
# Modeline "1280x1024@100" 190.960 1280 1376 1520 1760 1024 1025 1028 1085 +hsync +vsync
# SPEA GDM-1950 (60Hz,64kHz,110MHz,-,-): 1280x1024 @ V-freq: 60.00 Hz, H-freq: 63.73 KHz
# Modeline "GDM-1950" 109.62 1280 1336 1472 1720 1024 1024 1026 1062 -hsync -vsync
# 1600x1000 @ 60Hz
# Modeline "1600x1000" 133.142 1600 1704 1872 2144 1000 1001 1004 1035 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1000 @ 75Hz
# Modeline "1600x1000" 169.128 1600 1704 1880 2160 1000 1001 1004 1044 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1000 @ 85Hz
# Modeline "1600x1000" 194.202 1600 1712 1888 2176 1000 1001 1004 1050 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1000 @ 100Hz
# Modeline "1600x1000" 232.133 1600 1720 1896 2192 1000 1001 1004 1059 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1024 @ 60Hz
# Modeline "1600x1024" 136.385 1600 1704 1872 2144 1024 1027 1030 1060 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1024 @ 75Hz
# Modeline "1600x1024" 174.416 1600 1712 1888 2176 1024 1025 1028 1069 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1024 @ 76Hz
# Modeline "1600x1024" 170.450 1600 1632 1792 2096 1024 1027 1030 1070 +hsync +vsync
# 1600x1024 @ 85Hz
# Modeline "1600x1024" 198.832 1600 1712 1888 2176 1024 1027 1030 1075 +hsync +vsync
# 1920x1080 @ 60Hz
# Modeline "1920x1080" 172.798 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync -vsync
# 1920x1080 @ 75Hz
# Modeline "1920x1080" 211.436 1920 2056 2264 2608 1080 1081 1084 1126 +hsync +vsync
# 1920x1200 @ 60Hz
# Modeline "1920x1200" 193.156 1920 2048 2256 2592 1200 1201 1203 1242 +hsync +vsync
# 1920x1200 @ 75Hz
# Modeline "1920x1200" 246.590 1920 2064 2272 2624 1200 1201 1203 1253 +hsync +vsync
# 2048x1536 @ 60
# Modeline "2048x1536" 266.952 2048 2200 2424 2800 1536 1537 1540 1589 +hsync +vsync
# 2048x1536 @ 60
# Modeline "2048x1536" 266.952 2048 2200 2424 2800 1536 1537 1540 1589 +hsync +vsync
# 1400x1050 @ 60Hz M9 Laptop mode
# ModeLine "1400x1050" 122.000 1400 1488 1640 1880 1050 1052 1064 1082 +hsync +vsync
# 1920x2400 @ 25Hz for IBM T221, VS VP2290 and compatible display devices
# Modeline "1920x2400@25" 124.620 1920 1928 1980 2048 2400 2401 2403 2434 +hsync +vsync
# 1920x2400 @ 30Hz for IBM T221, VS VP2290 and compatible display devices
# Modeline "1920x2400@30" 149.250 1920 1928 1982 2044 2400 2402 2404 2434 +hsync +vsync

EndSection


Also further down the file is this screens section:


# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of screen sections may be present. Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen. A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "ATI Graphics Adapter"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24
#Option "backingstore"

Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
ViewPort 0 0 # initial origin if mode is smaller than desktop
# Virtual 1280 1024
EndSubsection
EndSection

Try the below that is if your monitor has the same specifications as the wa model on this page if this does not work then can you post the entire xorg.conf that was used and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file you will need to put this one in two posts it is rather large.

thanks will try out now
 

Thanks for this, will try out and get back.

Greeb

not quite...
 

Dear HappyTux,

Have been away on hols, but just tried the monitor configuration you suggested (xorg.conf file pasted below) I kept the original file contents entirely and pasted your suggestion into the file - you can see it defined by the comment #my bit .... #end my bit.

When i used this file as xorg.conf, the system started and it said starting kdm, but the kde interface did not start - i was left with a text screen.

I did not try to connect my new monitor, just stayed with the old one.

Also in your post you asked me to paste the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but this file was not present on my system - there were some along the lines of XFree86.0.log, but this is not what you needed?

Thanks for any further ideas,
Greeb



# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
# sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
# path to defoma fonts
FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "i2c"
Load "bitmap"
Load "ddc"
Load "dri"
Load "extmod"
Load "freetype"
Load "glx"
Load "int10"
Load "vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
Driver "kbd"
Option "CoreKeyboard"
Option "XkbRules" "xorg"
Option "XkbModel" "pc105"
Option "XkbLayout" "gb"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Configured Mouse"
Driver "mouse"
Option "CorePointer"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "ATI Technologies Inc RV380 0x3e50 [Radeon X600]"
Driver "ati"
BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "NFF8705"
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Default Screen"
Device "ATI Technologies Inc RV380 0x3e50 [Radeon X600]"
Monitor "NFF8705"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Depth 1
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 4
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 8
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 15
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 16
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1600x1200" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection





#my bit


# **********************************************************************
# Monitor section
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of monitor sections may be present

Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Monitor0"
HorizSync 30-83
VertRefresh 56-75
EndSection

# **********************************************************************
# Screen sections
# **********************************************************************

# Any number of screen sections may be present. Each describes
# the configuration of a single screen. A single specific screen section
# may be specified from the X server command line with the "-screen"
# option.
Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
Device "ATI Graphics Adapter"
Monitor "Monitor0"
DefaultDepth 24


Subsection "Display"
Depth 24
Modes "1680x1050" "1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubsection
EndSection





#end my bit


Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier "Default Layout"
Screen "Default Screen"
InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
Mode 0666
EndSection

further info
 

now tried with new flat monitor, but can only get a text screen. Am I editing the right file - xorg.conf or should I be editing xfree86.conf files?

Interestingly I am not getting the out of range message anymore.

Thanks for any help
Greeb

If you were using Xfree86 then the file on Debian would be XF86Config-4 if my memory serves me correctly it's been awhile so you should be using the xorg.conf. To be sure show us the output of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg and apt-cache policy xserver-xfree86.

Also check the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or similar) for errors and warning

Err what version of Debian are you running ?

Debian Sarge (Old Stable) used Xfree86 so if that is what you are running then you would need to edit XF86Config-4

If you are running Anything newer than Sarge (Etch - Stable, Lenny - Testing, Sid - Unstable) then you would need to edit xorg.conf

Could it be we are giving you advice on The newer versions of Debian but you are still running an older version ?

cat /etc/debian_version

try:

system-config-display

You can run that from command line, and it should choose a working resolution. You can also use ctrl + and - I believe to change on the fly. Try when it says out of range. Maybe its ctrl+alt.

more info from var/log/
 

Dear all thanks for ongoing suggestions I tried the grep WW command and got this output which looks a bit dodgy to my untrained eye..

Does this help at all? Graphics card is a Radeon X600 pro which seemed to work fine with the CRT monitor I had. I'm now running Deb 4.0 r0 (and have been since the beginnings of theses posts, it is only the monitor I've changed. All seems to be fine, but I can't see the Right hand end of my desktop and there's no more manual adjustment to shift it over.

If it helps, when I boot the machine, the intial text screens are partly lost off to the LHS of the screen (i.e. I can't read the left hand end of the text lines) KDE then starts, I log in and the problem is as I've said then at the RHS of the screen!

Thanks again,
Greeb

(WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 1:0:1 could not be detected!
(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found
(WW) RADEON(0): Failed to detect secondary monitor, MergedFB/Clone mode disabled
(WW) (1280x1024,Monitor0) mode clock 157.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 162MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 175.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 189MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 202.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1600x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 229.5MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1792x1344,Monitor0) mode clock 204.8MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1792x1344,Monitor0) mode clock 261MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1856x1392,Monitor0) mode clock 218.3MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1856x1392,Monitor0) mode clock 288MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 234MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 297MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 151MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 155.8MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1400x1050,Monitor0) mode clock 184MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1920x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 193.16MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1920x1200,Monitor0) mode clock 230MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (1920x1440,Monitor0) mode clock 341.35MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (2048x1536,Monitor0) mode clock 266.95MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (2048x1536,Monitor0) mode clock 340.48MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) (2048x1536,Monitor0) mode clock 388.04MHz exceeds DDC maximum 150MHz
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x24
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x25
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x26
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x27
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x28
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x29
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2a
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2b
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2c
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2d
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2e
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x2f
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x30
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x31
(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x32

Try the below for the xorg.conf and if it does not work post the log file so we can see how everything gets detected copy it to a backup before starting X again or it will be overwritten.