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Old 11-13-2018, 05:48 PM   #1
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Lightbulb Gentoo vs Sabayon (a Gentoo derivative)


https://www.sabayon.org/
Apparently, Sabayon is sort of an 'easy Gentoo'. But I have trouble believing that it won't have any drawbacks. Here are my three questions about Sabayon vs Gentoo:
1. Is Sabayon as fast as Gentoo.
2. Does Gentoo have decent support for GPU drivers and the like?
3. How stable is Sabayon compared to Gentoo?
 
Old 11-13-2018, 08:13 PM   #2
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Sabayon is a binary distribution built from Gentoo. It comes "pre-assembled," if you will, and offers a few different desktop environments.

Gentoo is a source-based meta-distribution; each installation is different, because it is tailored to each machine that it is installed on. It is not pre-built.

To answer your questions:

1) No, not in my experience, but it depends on how you set it up.

2) Yes

3) Not very, in my experience, as well as others.

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Old 11-14-2018, 02:27 AM   #3
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Sabayon is a binary distribution built from Gentoo. It comes "pre-assembled," if you will, and offers a few different desktop environments.

Gentoo is a source-based meta-distribution; each installation is different, because it is tailored to each machine that it is installed on. It is not pre-built.

To answer your questions:

1) No, not in my experience, but it depends on how you set it up.

2) Yes

3) Not very, in my experience, as well as others.
Thanks!
 
Old 11-19-2018, 07:30 AM   #4
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No problem. I would say, if you're considering Gentoo, steer clear of the derivatives, and just dive right in. The Gentoo installation guide and wiki are a wealth of information, and the forum (at least in my experience) is friendly.
 
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Old 11-20-2018, 07:15 AM   #5
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Sabayon is a binary distribution built from Gentoo. It comes "pre-assembled," if you will, and offers a few different desktop environments.

Gentoo is a source-based meta-distribution; each installation is different, because it is tailored to each machine that it is installed on. It is not pre-built.

To answer your questions:

1) No, not in my experience, but it depends on how you set it up.

2) Yes

3) Not very, in my experience, as well as others.
My experience is totally opposite and I have run both system.

1) Yes and at time faster. Is Sabayon a larger foot print, Yes. It has to be to be able to support all the different configuration out there but this doesn't make it slower.

Sabayon is faster when it comes to updates. You don't have to rebuild anything just install and go.
Gentoo on the other hand can be fine tuned to my system making the packages smaller.

2) Yes, however I still prefer to use nVivida's drivers.

3) Sabayon is very stable and I would say more stable than Gentoo. I have been running it ad a desktop for many years now.
My reasons why Sabayon is more stable than Gentoo:
There are times when you update Gentoo that dependencies are missing or parts are not ready to be upgraded which cause you problem once rebooted. Sabayon on the other hand only publishes binary files once they work and there are no missing dependencies.

In the end it comes down to a simple question, do you what to have to worry about everything on the system and ensure it will work after every upgrade or do you want to allow someone else to do the worrying and you upgrade with peace of mind that it's going to work?
 
Old 11-20-2018, 07:42 AM   #6
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My experience is totally opposite and I have run both system.

1) Yes and at time faster. Is Sabayon a larger foot print, Yes. It has to be to be able to support all the different configuration out there but this doesn't make it slower.

Sabayon is faster when it comes to updates. You don't have to rebuild anything just install and go.
Gentoo on the other hand can be fine tuned to my system making the packages smaller.

2) Yes, however I still prefer to use nVivida's drivers.

3) Sabayon is very stable and I would say more stable than Gentoo. I have been running it ad a desktop for many years now.
My reasons why Sabayon is more stable than Gentoo:
There are times when you update Gentoo that dependencies are missing or parts are not ready to be upgraded which cause you problem once rebooted. Sabayon on the other hand only publishes binary files once they work and there are no missing dependencies.

In the end it comes down to a simple question, do you what to have to worry about everything on the system and ensure it will work after every upgrade or do you want to allow someone else to do the worrying and you upgrade with peace of mind that it's going to work?
These are valid points, for sure. It all depends on what kind of system you are running. I have a very minimal, clean setup, with no desktop environments, and only about 550 packages installed, so everything is very fast and trouble-free, including updates. (See my sig for USE flags )
 
Old 11-24-2018, 11:59 AM   #7
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Gentoo is as fast and stable as the user makes it. Thus, all complaints like Gentoo is slow, Gentoo is this and that, are not valid. If you have these problems look into a mirror, there you see the cause of your "Gentoo issues".
 
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