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Old 11-24-2017, 07:58 AM   #16
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Cloud means any service that holds data and makes it possible to access from multiple devices anywhere on the internet. As opposed to systems that store data locally so they can't be accessed without connecting to a specific server.
 
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Generally these would be the high capacity transits, for example the shared cross-ocean fibre infrastructure projects, or the large interconnect/peering hubs, cf. MAE-East and MAE-West.
Huh???

All I got from that was really expensive, powerful server hardware, with Fiber opitical connections. But I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that...
 
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In this case "The Cloud" is abstracted storage.
Does that mean that ANY file server is "in the cloud"?
 
Old 11-24-2017, 11:16 AM   #19
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"My server is "in the cloud""
So I definitely have at least a little "cloud" technology. I could say that my 6 servers of 8, are "in the cloud".
 
Old 11-24-2017, 11:19 AM   #20
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"We sell our SaS which is hosted on a highly resilient combination of private and public cloud infrastructure" - Yeah, we've a website and we do some of it on our own servers and stick some of it on AWS (see "My server is "in the cloud"" above).
In that sense, I do NOT have a cloud. I have private cloud infrastructure, but not public one, except for those services that are free to use. Especially, AWS...
 
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ROTFL ... I'll have to remember that one!
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:21 AM   #22
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Cloud means any service that holds data and makes it possible to access from multiple devices anywhere on the internet. As opposed to systems that store data locally so they can't be accessed without connecting to a specific server.
...So possibly my file servers are "in the cloud" as well?...
 
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So to recap:

* It's unknown to me whether my file servers are "in the cloud" or not.
* I definitely have 6/8 servers "in the cloud"
* I am only using private clouds right now, except where they can be gotten for free, such as google.

In general, my network relies on "clouds".

Almost with a good solid answer. Keep going please. Still don't know about "Internet Backbone", but that "could" remain for another day/thread...
 
Old 11-24-2017, 11:31 AM   #24
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Sure, you can make your own small cloud.

https://owncloud.org/
 
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I knew a little bit about "owncloud". But the question is if what I have counts as a cloud or not. Not how to create a cloud.
 
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Though I have no evidence to back this up I'm almost certain that "The Cloud" is a management then marketing term based upon a misunderstanding of the symbol used to depict the internet in Microsoft's Visio.
Anyone who was in (M$ based) IT in the early years of this century should know what I refer to. I think it's too much of a coincidence not to be the case.
 
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The cloud is a Microsoft term? Based off a misunderstanding? That's a weird thought... I personally think it does indeed mean something besides that, regardless of how it got started.

I remember still about the term "bug". A moth flew into a computer and they had to "debug" it. Thus the term "bug" was born. Maybe that's the same thing, kind of...
 
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* It's unknown to me whether my file servers are "in the cloud" or not.
Let's try and get an answer for this...
 
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The cloud is a Microsoft term? Based off a misunderstanding? That's a weird thought... I personally think it does indeed mean something besides that, regardless of how it got started.

I remember still about the term "bug". A moth flew into a computer and they had to "debug" it. Thus the term "bug" was born. Maybe that's the same thing, kind of...
Hate to spring this on you but "bug" may not have come from that.
The way to track these things down is, apparently, to find the first use of the term and then find what that was referring to. I know for a fact that I saw a cloud in Visio diagrams of networks before "the cloud" was pushed. Last time I looked the origin of "a bug in the system" was traced back well before the "first documented bug" -- that's why it was funny.
How many times did you use Visio in the '90's?

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Hate to spring this on you but "bug" may not have come from that.
Really? Maybe I got my history wrong when I learned it.
 
  


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