The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Originally Posted by SL00b In other forums, the audience will probably be less prepared to argue solid scientific facts against religious dogma.

A better explanation.

Originally Posted by oskar I'm just curious about the gross distribution of faith or non-faith on a forum like this.

Im a firm atheist, my best childhood friend had a mother that was a religious fanatic and since then i have thought that religion is a form of insanity, i dont mean this post to be a start of a flamewar but thats what i think.

Originally Posted by SL00b In other forums, the audience will probably be less prepared to argue solid scientific facts against religious dogma.

Regardless of forum, I'd love to see better arguments from "believers". So far everything could pretty much be summarized as "read my holy book - it tells the truth", which is pretty boring/predictable and won't get discussion anywhere. There should be some people that can defend their faith with good arguments... right?

Originally Posted by SigTerm Regardless of forum, I'd love to see better arguments from "believers". So far everything could pretty much be summarized as "read my holy book - it tells the truth", which is pretty boring/predictable and won't get discussion anywhere. There should be some people that can defend their faith with good arguments... right?

If there were any good arguments to make, sure.

Originally Posted by Anisha Kaul What I have understood from these verses is: Allah (which YOU claim is responsible for making Prophet Mohamed write Quran), is seen telling his followers that they can have sex slaves. HE is also seen to be saying, that the women who are the war prisoners, are allowed to be raped, since now they are now slaves. And nowhere has YOUR God mentioned, in those verses, that you should seek the due permission (for sex) from those women, before having sex with them. So, all this while you have been advocating a God who permits Rape? Does this mean that Quran was written by a normal human being and not by some God? If you say yes, then I agree that because at that time slavery was a common practice and that can be the reason for the common man Prophet, to write in Quran whatever was commonly practiced at that time. And because Prophet was NOT influenced by your God, he couldn't use his wits (gifted by God) to think ahead of time? Too difficult for your God who is a creator of this universe, to insert some "common sense" in the brains of those people (so that they IMMEDIATELY stop all kinds of slavery)? Indeed, and what is the logic behind a man being allowed to marry five women at a time and women not been given the same rights? No, I have NOT read the Vedas, so can't debate what is written there and what is not. You are expected to present citations to support your claims. BTW, I just searched Google with the keywords: "prophet mohammed vedas", the resultant first ten sites were Islamic.

I think we are coming to very interesting stage of our discussion.....

Please DONT put words in my mouth saying Quran was from human being.

You just know that Quran was revealed on Prophet Mohammed. How? dont know. how it was revealed and how much time it took? no idea, right?

It didnt happened in just fraction of seconds where Mohammed got this book in his hand direct from Allah. No. There was one angel named Jibrīl (Gabriel), who used to come to Prophet Mohammed time to time with message of Allah. And it took approximately 23 years. Mohammed used to memorize that and his companions used to note down. Quran was compiled after Mohammed's death. Someone earlier asked what if devil used to come instead of angel. FYI, Jibril came down to earth several times and verified the full Quran. There is no way if GOD says he is protecting this book and it will be available till last day of Earth, it can be changed.

Verses used to come from GOD mainly in the current context. You picked one from war time. If you see that link you shared it has mentioned "And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].".

Where is Rape coming into picture here? GOD said clearly to marry, not rape. I hope you understand the difference.

GOD is saying clearly if you fear you can not deal justly with orphan girls, just marry one. But if you can justify you can marry second, if still you can justify you marry third. If still you can justify you can marry fourth. Max is four what is allowed in Islam. (I will come back, why its allowed to marry 4). GOD didn't say go and marry just 4 in one shot because if you do so, you surely can not justify.

Before this in Quran there are 2 more verses i like to mention here (first before, another after):

And give to the orphans their properties and do not substitute the defective [of your own] for the good [of theirs]. And do not consume their properties into your own. Indeed, that is ever a great sin.


And give the women [upon marriage] their [bridal] gifts graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.


I hope they are self explanatory and you can see yourself how much GOD is asking to take care of orphans.

In your same link there are several Hadiths where people came to Prophet Mohammed asking we have captives, Can we have sex with them. See the reply from Prophet "It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist." ........

Another one:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: That while he was sitting with the Prophet a man from the Ansar came and said, "O Allah's Apostle! We get slave girls from the war captives and we love property; what do you think about coitus interruptus?" Allah's Apostle said, "Do you do that? It is better for you not to do it, for there is no soul which Allah has ordained to come into existence but will be created."

Where GOD or Prophet allowed for RAPE. ?????? Please read carefully, verify, before you share or make your comments.

And see the below link what our great country brothers are doing. They are from so called great civilized country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghr...prisoner_abuse
Google, you will get 1000 links.


Polygamy

Q. Why is a man allowed to marry more than one wife in Islam? Or why is polygamy allowed in Islam?

Answer:

1. Definition of Polygamy Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than one spouse. Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marries more than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marries more than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny is permitted and polyandry is completely prohibited. Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than one wife?

2. Qur'an is the only religious scripture in the world that says 'marry only one' Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the religious scriptures like the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.

Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives. In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a couple of centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.

Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had 2 wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah. (960 A.D to 1030 A.D) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, when an Act of the chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.

3. Hindus are more polygamous than Muslims The report of the 'Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam', published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66,67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the year 1951 -1961 was 5.06 among the Hindus and only 4.31 among the Muslims. According to Indian law only Muslim men are permitted to have more than one wife. It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to the Muslim. One can imagine what would have been the percentage of polygamous marriages among the Hindus if the Indian government had made it legal for them. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife. At present it is the Indian Law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures. Let us now analyse why Islam allows a man to have more than one wife.

4. Qur'an permits limited polygyny As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an: 'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals with them justly. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: 'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)]

Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to marry more than one wife.

Broadly, Islam has five categories of Do's and Dont's.

(i) 'Farz' i.e compulsory

(ii) 'Mustahab' i.e recommended or encouraged

(iii) 'Mubah' i.e permissible

(iv) 'Makruh' i.e 'not recommended' or discouraged

(v) 'Haram' i.e prohibited or forbidden

Polygyny falls in the middle category of things that are permissible. It cannot be said that a Muslim who has two, three or four wives is a better Muslim as compared to a Muslim who has only one wife.

5. Average life span of females is more than that of males By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. During paediatric age however, in childhood itself a female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, there are more deaths among males as compared to the females during paediatric age.

During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers.

6. India has more male population than female due to female foeticide and infanticide. India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

7. World female population is more than male population In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The USA as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.

8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.

Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. Everyone will opt for the first. However a few smart people before accepting, may say they would prefer their sisters to remain virgins. Biologically, it is not possible for an average man or a woman to remain celibate throughout life. It may be possible in exceptional cases of one in ten thousand. In the vast majority, the person either gets married or performs illicit sex or indulges in other sexual perversions. Sex hormones are released in the adult body every day. That is the reason why Islam has prohibited monasticism.

In Western society it is common for a man to have mistresses and/or multiple extra-marital affairs, in which case, the woman leads a disgraceful, unprotected life. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife, in which women retain their honourable, dignified position in society and lead a protected life.

Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property. Islam prefers giving women the honourable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second. There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but it is mainly to protect the modesty of women.

Holy copypasta.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli FYI, Jibril came down to earth several times and verified the full Quran.

And you know this how?

I get a laugh out of a discussion of which religion is the true one...After all the books Quran, Bible, or whatever were just written by some person(s)using their interpretation of how things should be done. Hell my wife is a Mormon and their beliefs were forged by an American named Joseph Smith who in my opinion was a crack-pot but there is a large following in his beliefs. Just goes to show people will go to great lengths thinking that when we die there will be some kind of life afterward and not become nothing more than worm fodder.

Originally Posted by SL00b Holy copypasta. Originally Posted by ShaanAli FYI, Jibril came down to earth several times and verified the full Quran. And you know this how?

...probably because the Quran says so?

Originally Posted by tiredofbilkyyaforallican I get a laugh out of a discussion of which religion is the true one...After all the books Quran, Bible, or whatever were just written by some person(s)using their interpretation of how things should be done. Hell my wife is a Mormon and their beliefs were forged by an American named Joseph Smith who in my opinion was a crack-pot but there is a large following in his beliefs. Just goes to show people will go to great lengths thinking that when we die there will be some kind of life afterward and not become nothing more than worm fodder.

My favorite crack to make about Mormons is that they follow a religion based on a man talking out of his hat. Not only is it literally true in this context (Joseph Smith "read the plates" by sticking his head in his hat, and dictating to his secretary), but the phrase, "talking out of your hat" is an old euphemism for "talking about things you don't even begin to understand," which again, fits perfectly. The LOLhistory in the Book of Mormon is amazing... but much of it reflects the lack of understanding of pre-Colonial North American history that was common to the time in which it was written, which again speaks to mortal inspiration, not divine.

But this doesn't even begin to touch Scientologists, who follow a science-fiction religion written by an already-established science-fiction writer.

The more we know about how a religion began, the more ridiculous they appear.

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Originally Posted by sycamorex ...probably because the Quran says so?

Shhh. Don't give away the plot.

Originally Posted by SilverBack Let me see if this is correct - Mohammed in Vedas.... nopes. The vedas were written a long long time before Mohamed. But then there is always someone who will misinterpret things and claim that this a refrence to Mohamed or Jesus. If you have *specifics* please let me know.

In Veda not only Mohammed, it has references of Jesus Christ, Adam and Eve, Noah’s Ark, Buddha, Madhavacharya, Chandragupta, Ashoka, Jayadeva, Krishna Chaitanya, Kutubuddin and many more.... Interesting right? I had link, I will share....

Originally Posted by SilverBack Do you know Jesus is mentioned in the Koran? With some manipulations I can make Lord Ram appear in Koran too?

GOD has sent several prophets (probably around 1 lakhs). Few of them are mentioned in Quran like: Adam- regarded in Islam as the first prophet, Suhuf Ibrahim (Scrolls of Abraham), Tawrat (Torah or Pentateuch) of Moses, Zabur (Tehillim or Book of Psalms) of David, and the Injil (Gospel) of Jesus.

Allah mentioned in His final revelation, the Qur'an: Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allâh and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrâhim (Abraham), Ismâ'il (Ishmael), Ishâque (Isaac), Ya'qûb (Jacob), and to Al-Asbât [the twelve sons of Ya'qûb (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islâm)." [Qur'an, 2:136]

And, "He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (Islam) which He ordained for Nûh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Muhammad), and that which We ordained for Ibrahîm (Abraham), Mûsa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it (religion) (i.e. various sects in religion). Intolerable for the Mushrikûn (polytheists) , is that to which you (O Muhammad) call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom He wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience. [Qur'an, 42:13]

Sorry you cant find Ram in Quran, his name is not mentioned. He could be one of other messengers (not denying), but not mentioned in Quran. Sorry.

Tell me one thing - Jesus was born Jewish what was Mohamed born as?

Does not matter what Mohammed or you born as..... When you get your brain working since then it counts to whom you worship.

Can you tell me one reason why the Koran was given to Mohamed only?

My understanding is when GOD chooses his messengers, He chose best of the generation. Or He makes them best. Jesus was special, he is only human being who was born without any father. and his soul also was taken before his death. (some brothers may have objection here. FYI, I am saying in guidance of Quran).
Mohammed was chosen at age of around 40 and he was famous for not lying. Think of a person like you or me, going to our friends or relative and say listen I am chosen as messenger of GOD. Tell me who will listen you?

Take my adivse, in techincal forums like these you cannot defend religion though we respect your choice to have and follow one. This is where science and religion clash - and science _always_ wins.

Our aim should be winning in life, not in this forum. There is no fight here my dear friend. We all are discussing each other view point.

Originally Posted by SL00b Holy copypasta. And you know this how?

Sorry, there was no camera that time to record and show you as proof.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Sorry, there was no camera that time to record and show you as proof.

You didn't answer the question. How do you know that Jibril came down to earth several times and verified the Koran?

Your points 3 seems like a direct and crappy take over some acts of India and Hindus, without even giving the links for the facts you representing and most importantly not considering the huge diff. ratio between Hindus and Muslims in India.
You wanna talk, talk globally. Give facts with proofs.


Your points 5,6 and 7 made me laugh, everybody read them in school books, thanks. But why the mention here?
I'm just trying to figure out their poor relevance with your post and with this thread and your status of mind this time. Hah!

Originally Posted by ShaanAli In Veda not only Mohammed, it has references of Jesus Christ, Adam and Eve, Noah’s Ark, Buddha, Madhavacharya, Chandragupta, Ashoka, Jayadeva, Krishna Chaitanya, Kutubuddin and many more.... Interesting right? I had link, I will share....

Oh great, now you have started talking about Vedas for us... Which veda / All vedas? Name the specific.

Acc. to your time line, you deliberately wish to be unaware that one or more vedas were already considred present written in Sanskrit by scientists/archeologists all over the world way before that timeline (> 1500 before you).
Acc. to me you don't need to refer your holy book but history books and dept's for the facts you seem to close your eyes for.

Needa proof? You prefer searching the web, I perefer visiting the archeological depts and get the real facts with data, Boom!
Do that Or come back to your country to visit harappa civiliazation (just to name one) and learn more about them. It may not be written there in The Quran.

Every Veda has its timeline and time period. The time Quran was revealed by your prophet 1500 years ago {Acc. to Quran itself}, there were civilizations booming up aleady, no need to mention the name of one of the Oldest religions and it's civilization's proof found in India by archeologists.

But again, please oblize us by sharing what you found on web, But please be aware, every link you may give us, you may get exact opposite link for that coz this is web. Thanks.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Q. Why is a man allowed to marry more than one wife in Islam? Or why is polygamy allowed in Islam? Answer: THIS SEEMS TO BE YOUR ACTUAL ANSWER, OTHER POINTS SEEM LIKE A TAKE ON YOUR COUNTRY'S LAWS WITHOUT A THOUGHT AND FOOLPROOF DATA: 8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband. That is the reason why Islam has prohibited monasticism. Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property. Islam prefers giving women the honorable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second. There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but it is mainly to protect the modesty of women.

Oh my goodness, If this is your explanation of why polygamy is allowed in Islam and the reason for the prohibited monasticism, I quit right now talking over your system and especially with you. Period.

(Taking a note to show your post to my best buddy and my gf just in case to have fun)

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Please DONT put words in my mouth saying Quran was from human being.

So you mean to say that Quran was NOT written by a human being, and Allah made Prophet write it? That's nice.
So, the question is that,
Why isn't there a clause in Quran that keeping slaves is totally against Allah's wishes (on the humanitarian grounds) and people should IMMEDIATELY free all the slaves?

If Allah CAN enforce the following clause IMMEDIATELY, why didn't he enforce the same condition for people who kept slaves too?

Question: Is it permissible for a man to force his wife or slave to have intercourse if she refuses?. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. The woman does not have the right to refuse her husband, rather she must respond to his request every time he calls her, so long as that will not harm her or keep her from doing an obligatory duty. Al-Bukhaari (3237) and Muslim (1436) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If a man calls his wife to his bed and she refuses, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until morning.” If she refuses with no excuse, she is disobeying and is being defiant (nushooz), and he is no longer obliged to spend on her and clothe her. The husband should admonish her and remind her of the punishment of Allaah, and forsake her in her bed. He also has the right to hit her, in a manner that does not cause injury. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (next) refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allaah is Ever Most High, Most Great” [al-Nisa’ 4:34]

Your gems:

Originally Posted by ShaanAli It didnt happened in just fraction of seconds where Mohammed got this book in his hand direct from Allah. No. There was one angel named Jibrīl (Gabriel), who used to come to Prophet Mohammed time to time with message of Allah. And it took approximately 23 years. Mohammed used to memorize that and his companions used to note down. Quran was compiled after Mohammed's death. Someone earlier asked what if devil used to come instead of angel. FYI, Jibril came down to earth several times and verified the full Quran.

Citations or it never happened. And Citations should be outside Quran (if you want further discussions).
Otherwise you have an opportunity to say that these are your BELIEFS ONLY.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Verses used to come from GOD mainly in the current context. You picked one from war time. If you see that link you shared it has mentioned "And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].".

Perhaps I should have made it clear that I was referring to the following verses:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah her pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hanain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace te upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (iv. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) sent a small army. The rest of the hadith is the same except this that he said: Except what your right hands possessout of them are lawful for you; and he did not mention" when their 'idda period comes to an end". This hadith has been reported on the authority of AbuSa'id (al-Khudri) (Allah be pleased with him) through another chain of transmitters and the words are: They took captives (women) on the day of Autas who had their husbands. They were afraid (to have sexual intercourse with them) when this verse was revealed:" And women already married except those whom you right hands posses" (iv. 24)

And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess… [4:24]. Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Rahman al-Bunani informed us through Abu Sa‘id al-Khudri who said: “We had captured female prisoners of war on the day of Awtas and because they were already married we disliked having any physical relationship with them. Then we asked the Prophet, Allah bless him and give him peace, about them. And the verse, And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess, was then revealed, as a result of which we consider it lawful to have a physical relationship with them”.

Similarly a slave woman does not have the right to refuse her master’s requests unless she has a valid excuse. If she does that she is being disobedient and he has the right to discipline her in whatever manner he thinks is appropriate and is allowed in sharee’ah. And Allaah knows best.

Are these quotes not the permissions for rape?
and there are more similar verses, there, if you pay attention.

and also what explanation you have for the clause which says wives have no right to say a no, if they are not willing to have sex with their husbands?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Q. Why is a man allowed to marry more than one wife in Islam? Or why is polygamy allowed in Islam? ... Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives. In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a couple of centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.

*SIGH

Firstly, pointing fingers at other religions just to defend your own, is pathetic.
I already know the facts about Hinduism (religion), if the man is allowed to have many wives, so are the women allowed to have many husbands, example: Draupadi.

Well, anyways, giving you the benefit of doubt that you haven't understood the question properly, here I go again:
The question wasn't that why polygamy is permitted or not permitted, the question was, why the women aren't given the equal rights for keeping many husbands? Is it clear now?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to the Muslim. One can imagine what would have been the percentage of polygamous marriages among the Hindus if the Indian government had made it legal for them. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife.

*SIGH

I thought we were discussing here the religion and the holy books, and not the constitution of India or the activities of the "mere mortals"?

But if you are bent on discussing the acts of "mere mortals", let me tell you that
1. It were Muslims terrorists who raped my neighbors in Kashmir.
2. It were Muslims terrorists who burned our two storey house in Kashmir.

The Muslim terrorists said on the interviews that they had no remorse on their acts.

We had to flee from Kashmir because of the Muslim terrorists, and if you say that this is made up story, then I recommend you to think twice!

BTW, can we get back to the topic now?

Originally Posted by ShaanAli Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to marry more than one wife.

No, I am not under any misconception, I never said that it is "compulsory" for a man to have polygamy in Islam.

Originally Posted by ShaanAli The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers. ... India has more male population than female due to female foeticide and infanticide. ... World female population is more than male population In the USA, ... Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). ... Biologically, it is not possible for an average man or a woman to remain celibate throughout life. It may be possible in exceptional cases of one in ten thousand. In the vast majority, the person either gets married or performs illicit sex or indulges in other sexual perversions. Sex hormones are released in the adult body every day. That is the reason why Islam has prohibited monasticism.

Considering the facts that it were apes who slowly turned into human beings (which no one had forecasted at that time), Dinosaurs were present on earth before humans, similarly it is a possibility that the number of females get decreased some time in future and the number of males increase (whatever the reasons be).

Now the problem is, that the Quran doesn't have any CLAUSE for such a kind of situation. Even if number of females decrease in future, they won't be able to marry many men because Quran prevents them from doing so?

What is the solution for this situation?

ShaanAli, can you tell me on a personal level if in the event of a war females in your family were treated this way? I can understand the law but you are talking in a very general way, what happens if the same laws were applied to the females of your family. If I was you - believe me I would have kicked god in the face and taken his front two teeth out.
How can you not see the irrelevence of it all? I really do not know if you have ever questioned your religion or the Koran in the scientific, even global and personal light. How much IQ does it take to understand the grief of a young girl who has just been widowed and now is being raped? Even the beasts of the jungle do not do this - atleast intentionally and certainly not under the giuse of religion.
I would advise you to live in a Buddhist monk for a month. The simplicity of these monks is something to learn. They are about peace and poise. For them the defination if a defeat is getting into a fight. And I hope you realise after all the wars the world has fought and the blood that has been spilled we are still nowhere closer to peace. The end of a war is not and never would be peace.
Comeon dude, you need to sit back and think and question and verify your religion before you come to a conclusion. You cannot and must not act simply because something was said by someone or someone wrote something.