Double sided learning curves. :o
 

Trump? A subconscious voting wave towards * lives matter!? (Just saw Barber Shop erev1... :D)

Be a sheep. I've never voted for a person and only would if it's mandatory for all "Americans" or .www Then we could see if logic plays any part or fail it?

United we could hold up the stupid, like Trump as a mop sales man? :p F choice everywhere's right and wrong not.edu

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From the right side broadcasting live stream network. I bring you,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwbYLlq7iYo

Careful, It might lock up your computer. I absolve myself of any hardware damage entailed on clicking on my link.

Oh sh#1... I was just coming pack to say: "Who's parents?"!. ;) :D

All good here. ;)

Subconscious or not it's there?

America is a ticking time bomb. All that remains to be seen is who—or what—will set fire to the fuse. We are poised at what seems to be the pinnacle of a manufactured breakdown, with police shooting unarmed citizens, snipers shooting police, global and domestic violence rising, and a political showdown between two presidential candidates equally matched in unpopularity.-John W. Whitehead

If my computer stopped because of this, it's because I smash it!

All people who think voting for lawmakers matters, move to a 3rd world! :eek:

Real Time With Bill Maher coverage
 

I encourage everyone to watch

America has always been "a ticking time-bomb."

But you're entirely correct to use the word, "manufactured."

One key to maintaining political control of a populace is to see to it that they always feel frightened. Uncomfortable. Off-base. That way, it never occurs to them to start effecting change, within(!) the political system that they have.

. . . because you know that, if-and-when they actually realize that they can do such a thing, your grip on power is over.

If one tenth of one percent of the ordinary people within a country calmly decide that "this, whatever-it-is, is no longer acceptable for our country," that number of people can effect changes that will become permanent. And many others, quite sensibly, will wonder why the hell it took so long.

"Rebellion" doesn't do anything but send people to the graveyard. But, "determined negotiation, backed by patient stubbornness," does.

"How bad do you want it?" If enough of you want it bad enough, nothing can stop you all from getting it. (But: "be careful what you wish for ...")

Jon Stewart Takes Over Colbert's Late Show Desk
https://youtu.be/mNiqpBNE9ik

The entire history of mankind is filled with mass killings and genocide; it is part of our " nature "!! It has not gone away with Iphones and technology!! Next to the distribution of illegal narcotics the most profitable business is arms; killing people can make you very rich!!

Time is not a glock :doh: damn spilling checker! (Me. :D)

Evolve stupid!
 

Plop, plop :twocents: in the disgusting water:
voting for people is moronic!
If you have; should be ashamed of what you've perpetuated and not do it again, blindly or otherwise!
VOTE ON POLICIES NOT POPULARITY!!!

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

I'm wondering just how many Bernie Sanders supporters are going to vote for Donald Trump just to get back at the underhanded way that Hillary Clinton was " handed " the democratic nomination??

That's quite possible. One of the odd things about this election is that Sanders is the most left-wing candidate ever to come near winning a major party nomination in America and Trump is the most right-wing, but they both appeal to the same all-pervading anger in the electorate. Everyone is fed up to the back teeth with machine politicians, and you can't get more mechanical than Hillary Clinton.

Here in New York City the " democratic machine " did everything it could do to make sure that Hillary won the primary election; including wiping out huge chunks of democratic voters!! I do not know about the rest of the United States; but here, many Sanders supporters have no intention of voting for Hillary if they vote at all in November!! The wikileaks DNC email revelations showing that the fix was indeed way in for Hillary Clinton is going to cost her a lot of votes!! Those votes might go to Jill Stein or even Gary Johnson and perhaps some even to Donald Trump; but from the indications that I am hearing, lots of Democratic voters now feel that it should be " anybody but Hillary " for the next United States president!!

Either they will vote for the Green Party, or other independent party, or dare I say some WILL actually vote for Trump. As far as Shillery is concerned also, she is expecting to win the women vote, which she won't either. I expected dirty tricks mostly from the republicans, but the fact that you see this on the dems. side is just stomach churning. Then again I am naive to think otherwise.

It is pretty bad when Shillery is actually making Trump look good with her own antics. I heard that they barred Sanders supporters stating there was no more seats, yet people inside were posting on Facebook and such showing the many empty seats available.

Either way, whether it is Shillery or Chump I expect nothing more than a sh*tstorm at the end of it all. Jeez, this country is pathetic! :rolleyes:

Before the leak, it was around 9 percent. As far as I know, there have not yet been polls to show how much it's gone up.

I expect the " powers that be " will have Gary Johnson, Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump at the televised debate events and purposely leave out Jill Stein so that she won't make Hillary look bad!! What a truly sad state of affairs the people of these United States finds themselves in!!

I'm not voting this year because this election season sucks. We have Trump who is a 70 year old toddler with temper tantrums, insults people and makes fun of people with disabilities AND saturates twitter with his whining grievances.

As for Hillary, I don't know much about her except for infamous nickname crooked Hillary and the recent email scandal. But then again no politician is all perfect and honest. There are some politicians who have done worse than she has. She just got caught.

If Hillary wins, I guess I can live with that. If Trumps wins and I hope not, I hope he becomes impeached ASAP.

I liked this. It made me grin.

http://postmyimage.com/img2/992_wpna...0f953b9daf.gif

It was the Democrats who gave us the words "Tammany Hall" and "Gerrymander"

Dear Establishment pundits, flacks, hacks, sycophants, apparatchiks, toadies, lackeys, functionaries, leeches and apologists: the more you label Trump as "singularly inappropriate," the more attractive he becomes to the 81% who've been left behind by the financialized-globalized-neofeudal order that has so greatly enhanced your own wealth, influence and power.-Charles Hugh Smith

So... you are wanting to pretend that Trump is not part of the "financialized-globalized-neofeudal order"? Dream on...

Uhm, that 81% estimate is obviously way too high.

Here's one way I know:

Only 9% of America Chose Trump and Clinton as the Nominees

capitalism trumps all
 

"If it ain't broke don't" be blind. In a 1,000 years what has voting done for the majority? I have and will only ever vote on policies not popularity\people!

I'm all for the ability to vote people out of government but we don't vote people into most jobs. They get hired\fired to fill needs and by logic. Ask yourself why an eighteen year old can vote and\or kill but not be president*? "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." —Emma Goldman

If playing in a broken system makes you feel better by all means, sheep on... (just a red and blue world? :rolleyes:) Do you live on a planet or a continent? "It is not easy to see how the more extreme forms of nationalism can long survive when we have seen the Earth in its true perspective as a single small globe against the stars."
-Arthur C. Clarke

http://classicalwisdom.com/plato-and...-of-democracy/

Add: as if they were wakeable: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wake_up_sheeple.png

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In my very humble opinion; I do not think that whoever the next president of the United States is, is going to really make any difference!! Chaos is coming!!

I had to laugh at this!!
 

I had to laugh at this!!

Actually, it is a very new(!) notion that "there should be only two candidates." (That there should be "primary elections" at all.)

For many decades, an entity that I refer to as "The Two-Party System®, Incorporated," has ruled American politics ... to the point that it now believes that it has some "divine right" to do so. It gained power by presenting a "(non-)choice" of exactly two alternatives, both of which it controlled.

And, make no mistake about it, "it is doing so yet again."

• Behind "door number one," we have: the radical's radical." Devised to be "a lightning-rod for your discontent, whoever you might be." The parties "behind door number two" will rail against this person as no other candidate has done, because, "desperate times call for desperate measures." We want to ensure, above all else, that (if you vote at all ...) you will pick (either) one of "our two doors!"
• Behind "door number two," we have: "the conservative's conservative." If you love milk-and-cookies, this is the gal for you.

What do they fear? The fact that they do not, in fact, control the entire slate of qualified candidates. There are two more.

They've got billions of dollars to spend, and they'll cheerfully spend it to persuade you ... either (a) not to get out of your easy-chair and vote, or (b) to convince you that you have only (their) two "reasonable" choices. That any other vote would be: "wasted ... so, why bother? ... wonder what's on the telly tonight?"

(a) won't work anyway (ie if you vote,) it's not called logic! :doh: If all you had was a sarded razer blade, should you still shave? Trump, yes... :p

If you "don't bother to vote," then you have done precisely what The Two-Party System, Inc. would most prefer for you to do.

And if you only voted in an election that was not gerrymandered or out-and-out rigged, you'd never vote at all. :rolleyes:

We unfortunately "eagerly embraced" electronic (paperless) voting machines, without thinking-through the reality that people will continue to try to "stuff" ballot-boxes. By removing the paper trail, we made this crime effortless. But a growing number of security experts are now directly calling for a return to paper ... with pre-scanners to detect unreadable or incorrect ballots before they are submitted.

However, I believe that you must be engaged in the political process, "now more than ever before." Even though powerful people are throwing two dis-likeable candidates in front of you, presenting these two people as "the only choice" and HC as "the default of-course why-bother winner," this is not the truth.

As noted, there are four candidates on the national Presidential ballot this year ... and there is a similar situation for what is actually a far more important election: the Senate, and the House. (By design, national power is centralized in the Senate and the House, not in the Oval Office. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the military but otherwise relatively powerless(!).)

If DT ever actually does make it to the White House, he will be confronted with a situation unlike anything he has ever before experienced: a Board of Directors consisting of over 650 people who don't have to listen to him, and who generally won't. The President can only lead by persuasion. (The first President to express great frustration with this arrangement was ... George Washington ... who basically said, "I can get the Army to do anything I want, but the Congress, nothing at all.") I think that DT would be frustrated-as-hell within the first three days, and would remain so for the next four years. The role of President has been described as that of "an internal diplomat."

And imagine how different things would be if Washington, DC realized that it was faced with a very politically-active (and savvy) generation of citizens? "The cat isn't 'away' any more ..." Although the mechanisms of power have been allowed to become very rusty, they still work.

Since the 1990's or so, "powerful corporations" have ruled the roost, systematically tearing-down the linchpins of American society on all fronts while cooing that "private industry always works better than government." They shamelessly bribed everyone, including the Supreme Court (which handed-down a decision that claims to legalize bribery, and another to protect corrupt lawmakers). They said that everything would now be so-much better ... and you're now living in the consequences ... and it's time to take away those car-keys. But this can only happen when the electorate makes itself, directly, a peaceful force to be reckoned with.

Corporate lobbyist walks into a Congressman's office. A citizen volunteer wearing a webcam on his jacket touches a button. Facial-recognition completed. Within fifteen seconds, the message is relayed to 500,000 cell-phones within that Congressman's district. The office telephone comes alive before the gentleman even has a chance to sit down. Is that lobbyist going to stay there? Is that Congressman going to feel enough heat to tell him to leave? With Internet technology, this scenario could be done. Elected leaders could be made to feel that they are spending every day of their lives in a fish-bowl.

The only presidential candidate " making my knees knock " is Jill Stein!! She may not have any chance at all of winning; but she has earned my respect and my single vote!! Rumor has it that Ms Clinton has serious health issues; so it appears the entire world will soon have to deal with President Trump!!

Actually, one thing that is coming out of this election is that, this year, there is a great deal of interest in "other" candidates. And, it's about time.

As I said in an earlier post, the historical precedent through most of America's history is that there were many names on the ballot. There were no "primary" elections, and the election process does not call for one. ("Primaries" are only used by political corporations to decide which product to market.)

To my way of thinking, and therefore to my vote, neither candidate that is being offered by "T2PS, Inc." is acceptable. Neither of them is a satisfactory candidate for being the Chief Executive Officer of the United States Government. I also have serious misgivings about both of them in the role of Commander-in-Chief.

And apparently, I am not alone.

• http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...-for-2016.html
• http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/...ty-system.html

... for example.

The first bullet-point link contains a great deal of opinion-poll data. And, the second contains warnings about "a two-party system" by the founders of the country.

If you think that you can simply "buy power," because you've always done so, you could have a surprise waiting for you. These corporations have bought power and now feel so cocksure that they even tried to strike the word "bribery" out of the faded text of the Constitution through a paid-for decision of the Supreme Court. Naturally, the media, which receives "all that cash," isn't going to say otherwise. But, "the times, they are a'changin'," both in the USA and the USE European (dis-)Union.

You said it, damned if do or don't! But, me less-so... I vote only on polices and they can see that(.) ;)

This is the time when we Britons can feel smug! Strict limits on campaign spending, no gerrymandering, paper ballots, universal voter registration, easy access to polling stations... Serve you lot right for rebelling! But every nation gets what it deserves: we have one poster here who won't vote for Mrs Clinton because one of the conspiracy web-sites he reads has told him she's dying, and another because she used a private server (at least hers wasn't hacked, unlike so many of the government ones).

Having assured myself with my usual astrological checks that Hilary will win, I wanted to put a bet on, but the best odds I could get was 3 to 1 on. Trust the bookies, they usually get it right!

Have people heard about the naked statues of Donald Trump that are appearing all over the US? Someone has a wonderful sense of humour.

Where are the bumper stickers?
 

On Thursday I saw a Trump bumper sticker on a car. That was the first bumper sticker that I have seen during this election campaign. Up until then my Gary Johnson bumper sticker had the road all to its lonesome.

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Steve Stites

Donald Trump got popular because of his tough stance on terrorism. Nothing more, nothing less. :rolleyes:

This alone does not qualify him to be President. And he will not be in my opinion.

Hazel every day there are many political cartoons on the gocomics website!! Here are some examples:

Well to be fair, that was before it became clear that his understanding of terrorism is at zero.

Sorry Hazel, I should have included the URL to gocomics:
http://www.gocomics.com/explore/editorials

Don't underestimate the effect of so many new young voters. It is very difficult to gauge how many of those actually believe his image and sales pitch versus how many actually realize he's actually all about the money and self-aggrandizement. I am pretty certain The Koch Boys et al are not about to back Hillary or leave her unopposed. Just look at the Walker fiasco in Wisconsin in which he alienated hundreds of thousands of Republicans who became incredibly active for a serious recall campaign but money still weighed heavily in the 53% vote that kept him and his (unannounced during his campaign) policies afloat. They accomplished that in 1 month. Currently there's more than 2 months for them to "buy a president".

Possibly the best result of this 2016 election might be an end to the 2 party monopoly.

Dream on.
" 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished", but it ain't about to happen.

"How old are you, Tex?" :)

Beginning with this election, the majority of voters are now ... Millennials, not "children of the sixties."

The only two candidates (sic ...) being offered by The Two-Party System, Inc. are "children of the fifties and sixties." Therefore, they are beneficiaries of the very same social infrastructures – health care, college education, "free"ways – that, during their fifty years in the halls of power, they presided over dismantling in the name of "internationalization."

They grew up in a time when the Glass-Steagall Act was the law of the land ... when a "title pawn" loanshark was nowhere to be seen ... when 73% of the US Population was not considered to have "bad credit" ... and when a college education did not cost $350,000.00.

Unfortunately for them, the now-majority group of voters are "the people who took it all in the shorts," and it just might be(!) "payback time."

It is actually "a historical 'blip!'" that the reins of power in the United States should be concentrated into "two, and only two," parties. It is an artifact of the last twenty years that corporations were permitted to participate in politics at all. For well over two hundred years, "bribery" was the Felony that the text of the US Constitution says it is. (Article 2, Section 4.) And, so on.

You will never hear "anything but the party line" from a media that is the recipient of "all those mountains of ¢a$h."

... but that same media once proclaimed that Dewey had defeated Truman.

Quoting Shakespeare makes me old ???

I more than agree with your statements of facts. But the hope for positive change is a dim prospect. How many of the Millennials understand the subversion of Democracy by the corporations, and how many understand what the loss of Glass-Steagall means, or the repulsive Supreme Court decision in Citizens United ?

Why? The same reasons voting for people is still popular (even tho in over a thousand years smart people's predictions that it won't work still know it don't) people want money and power, gods and clods... :rolleyes:

It won't work???
Yeah, you are right. Democracy is the worst form of government ever invented - except for all the others.
(That would be Winston Churchill's statement, in case you didn't know...)

Yeah, I've heard that line that voting is worthless, especially in the face of The Electoral College. Shoot! I've even subscribed to it but then I was a fetus at the time. It may piss you off or frustrate you that we get often stuck voting for the "lesser of two evils" or even that the most inspiring ones get blocked (or assassinated) but consider the alternative. Do you really want the WORST of 2 alternatives? Would the US and maybe the World be some different if, say, JFK or Nixon hadn't been elected? I rather think so.

You people are revolving on been broken systems like it's all we can have and I know you're not stupid, fat perhaps? But, not stupid! Don't worry WWIII*** will fix all... :doh: lazy is as lazy does(.)

Buddha

“Free election of masters does not abolish the masters or the slaves.” ― Herbert Marcuse