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sundialsvcs 01-25-2016 08:59 PM

Q: Why is Donald Trump so damned popular? A: "The Apprentice!"
 
Even before he tried his hand at politics, "The Donald" always had a very canny way of knowing just how to manipulate the media, based in large part on skillful manipulation of his own self-created self-image, which is very much like that of a movie star.

"Professional politicians" claim to be mystified as to exactly why he ("of all people ...") seems to be unstoppable in the party-specific opinion polls that track such things. The "professionals" aren't laughing anymore, because it's not a joke anymore. "But ... why?"

I suggest that you need look no farther than one of Donald's most brilliant media inventions: The Apprentice.

Anyone who signed-up for that show had to have a thick skin, because a fundamental premise of the show was that, at any point, The Donald could walk up to you and say: "You're Fired!"

Bingo.

That is the thing that a helluva lot of American voters desperately want to be able to say to their elected (and appointed) officials: "arbitrarily, immediately, 'don't say a word just get out."

This is the dynamic that, I predict, one day will convene a Constitutional Convention (to do the dirty-work that the US Congress obviously never will ...), and that will also ... "with the legislatures of two-thirds of the Several States concurring" ... enact many of the perhaps-quite-sweeping Amendments that this Convention might propose ... and then, make them stick.

The dynamic that "the people of the country in fact can have 'change,' even when 'professional' (sic ...) politicians have made it their business, for oh-so long, to deny it." The dynamic that many of those people have become derelict in their duties.

The fly in the ointment, of course, is that "the President of the United States, whoever s/he is, cannot actually do that." (The President has unlimited military power, but a virtually-neutered civil power.) Nevertheless, angry and frustrated voters might not care. They just might elect(!) "a symbol of a savior." (Then, maybe crucify him? Ouch.)

Personally, I think that "The Donald" would be a singularly unhappy Officeholder, if he should somehow manage to get it, and for his own sake I therefore hope he doesn't. However, I find it extremely revealing that he just might! :eek:

frankbell 01-25-2016 09:19 PM

The notion that politics is a form of entertainment is inimical to the polity.

jefro 01-25-2016 09:51 PM

Then you shouldn't vote for him.

I really never get why people complain about candidates running for office and also complain who wins.

Just vote and be part of the process. If you win or loose it's just for a few years. Then start over.

Maybe making a complaint based on some practical examples of a persons stance might make the complaint more realistic.

sundialsvcs 01-26-2016 07:53 AM

Oh, I wouldn't vote for any of 'em. :) I'm simply observing where I think a lot of his popularity is coming from.

As I said, I think he would be positively miserable in the actual job. "Be careful what you wish for."

jefro 01-26-2016 09:42 PM

I have no idea why anyone would want the job.

I do respect that Trump has our Cruzed Cruz in some ways. Being bold and taking a stance is what is driving his campaign. (my unskilled opinion)

In a similar way Bernie has taken his own path. He has out left'ed the left.


It is America and generally we do want people to be bold.

frankbell 01-26-2016 10:27 PM

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It is America and generally we do want people to be bold.
Indeed. And you say this about a society whose motto for the last 15 years seems to have been, "Be very afraid"?

JockVSJock 01-27-2016 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by frankbell (Post 5487387)
The notion that politics is a form of entertainment is inimical to the polity.

There's no business like show business like no business I know.

JockVSJock 01-27-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jefro (Post 5487393)

Just vote and be part of the process.

You remember what Uncle Joe said about voting, "its not the vote that count, it's who counts the vote"

cousinlucky 01-27-2016 12:34 PM

In the United States the rule of law, and with it liberty, have been lost. With few exceptions, Americans are too ignorant and unconcerned to do anything about it. The longer the rule of law is set aside, the more difficult it is to reestablish it. Sooner or later the rule of law ceases even as a memory. No candidate in the upcoming election has made the rule of law an issue.
Americans have become a small-minded divided people, ruled by petty hatreds, who are easily set against one another and against other peoples by their rulers.-Paul Craig Roberts

rokytnji 01-27-2016 03:46 PM

Everyone knows if it was not for corporate news agencies. The Donald would be a moot point. Kinda like
watching The Jerry Springer network here in the states.

http://s16.postimg.org/jm2gtokad/image.jpg

sundialsvcs 01-27-2016 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cousinlucky (Post 5488074)
In the United States the rule of law, and with it liberty, have been lost. With few exceptions, Americans are too ignorant and unconcerned to do anything about it. The longer the rule of law is set aside, the more difficult it is to reestablish it. Sooner or later the rule of law ceases even as a memory. No candidate in the upcoming election has made the rule of law an issue.
Americans have become a small-minded divided people, ruled by petty hatreds, who are easily set against one another and against other peoples by their rulers.-Paul Craig Roberts

Never forget "muscle-bound Uncle Sam," or Rosie the Riveter. N-e-v-e-r.

America will always surprise you.

frankbell 01-27-2016 11:13 PM

I will disagree with cousinlucky and agree with rokytnji to this extent.

I don't think that the American people are inherently unconcerned.

Rather, I think that the horse-race election coverage favored by the media has convinced persons that the Presidential election is the only one that matters and that, once it is done, they can go back to living their lives, trying to scrape a living and take care of their kids, and shopping at Walmart because they can't afford to shop anywhere else.

Every election matters.

My Daddy taught me that voting is not a right. It is a duty.

cousinlucky 01-28-2016 02:42 AM

Both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are riding the crest of " dis-satisfaction " the United States public has against " the government " in Washington, D.C.!! President Kennedy dared to " buck the system " and he was killed for it! The wants and needs of the United States voting public always take a back burner to the wants and needs of " the powers that be " running everything!! Those powers are not worried about getting rid of anyone on this planet that gets in their way!!

fido_dogstoyevsky 01-28-2016 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sundialsvcs (Post 5487525)
Oh, I wouldn't vote for any of 'em.

But surely there are candidates you want to vote against?

cousinlucky 01-28-2016 11:24 AM

Dear LQ members " How many people do you know that are better qualified to lead your country than your countries present leadership "??
Here in the United States our presidential candidates are usually chosen in smoke filled rooms full of rich, and very rich, people; Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are not " establishment picks " for president!! They are capturing the interest of the voting public because the United States voting public is way beyond being tired of enduring the ongoing continual every day shafting by their so called political leadership!!

Myk267 01-28-2016 11:58 AM

I remember when another "bold man" couldn't seem to sell enough "Hope and Change" to everyone who would buy it. Act accordingly.

frankbell 01-28-2016 08:43 PM

Professor Lane Crothers has been running a series of blog posts that pertains to this thread. This one points to the previous five.

http://politicalprof.tumblr.com/post...p-part-6-so-is

rokytnji 01-31-2016 08:29 AM

As the vote days are now closer.

Stop and think. The News is a big factor for a voter to recognize a name from a list on the ballot.
As the saying goes.
"Bad publicity is better than non at all."

So when Donald Trump wins the GOP vote coming soon.
Do not be surprised. (I hope to hell I am mistaken in posting this)

Because no one researches a politcal candidate like a we do when solving a linux problem.
A lot of people in the world prefer Windows.
That should tell you something about people in general.

Also. News predictions get everything all wrong. Barak Oboma floored the news agencies when he was elected.
They did not see him coming. It tells one how powerful grass roots voters are. Which can frighten the electoral college.
Lets see how many voters turn out to elect a self professed a__hole.
Interesting times ahead. So, be careful what you wish for.

jamison20000e 02-21-2016 09:42 AM

Make sense we get "movie stars" as "politicians" it's just progressing? Thank goodness I have no care there, where freedom is lawed. :confused:

dugan 02-21-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jamison20000e (Post 5503765)
we get "movie stars" as "politicians"

Why, that would be unprecedented! Never in the history of the United States has that ever happened. ;)

jamison20000e 02-21-2016 11:57 AM

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Florida just made history, as it became the first state in America to call for the Term Limits Convention! We will keep up the fight and continue adding states until the Congress finally faces term limits!


Term limits supporters always wonder “how can we get a constitutional amendment to term limit Congress if Congress — which won’t limit its own power — controls the amending process?”
http://laudalino.blogspot.com/2016/0...-hhistory.html

Sounds good to me. Tho 30 years could do too much damage, should be shorter like the one supreme leader. :rolleyes:

jamison20000e 02-21-2016 03:49 PM

After (don't hate us Muslims\world* here have) Obama I can't help but to think Trump is a one-two punch, perhaps to keep power for HIS kind?

rokytnji 02-21-2016 04:04 PM

Bernie got the nod from our family.

Screw the rest of them. Or anyone that thinks like them. That does not mean my own private Idaho will become a fact, jack.

jamison20000e 02-21-2016 04:24 PM

I hate working with 90% of people but not the owners and may vote someday tho only on policies. ;)

FAQ 02-21-2016 04:58 PM

I think Donald Trump is popular with the folks ( not me of course ) is because of his tough stance on terrorism. Donald Trump said he will deal with terrorism more severely than past administrations.

I wouldn't be surprised if Donald nuke the Middle East...

DavidMcCann 02-22-2016 11:48 AM

The thing that surprises me is how few people seem to notice that neither Trump nor Sanders have any chance of delivering their promises. Can they guarantee that they will control both houses of Congress? And even if they could, can Sanders guarantee that enough Democrats would be prepared to break up banks, or Trump that enough Republicans would be prepared to foot the bill for the Great Wall of America?

TxLonghorn 02-22-2016 01:37 PM

It is a media circus - with Trump being a fine circus act.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, I just want to say in talking about how the media covers these different candidates, it is astounding that Bernie Sanders is where he is today. Look at that Tyndall Center report that found in 2015, in the months leading up to December, you had 234 total network minutes, like almost four hours, CBS, NBC, ABC, covering Trump. That's four hours and how much got coverage? Sanders got 10 minutes. On ABC World News Tonight in that year, Sanders got 20 seconds. Trump got like 81 minutes.

BRIAN STELTER (HOST): Yeah, It was minute.

GOODMAN: To think -- I mean, Trump doesn't even have to go out on the road, he's piped into everyone's home. That's not the way the media should be.

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/0...t-media/208714

jamison20000e 02-25-2016 12:45 AM

I say at 70% the pay women could do the trick?

RPI 02-28-2016 03:43 PM

I feel in my gut that Donald Trump is going to be our next President.

sundialsvcs 02-28-2016 06:50 PM

To my gut, this is a bellwether of much deeper political change. This is the "last gasp" of a fossilized organization known as "The Two-Party System, Inc."

This organization has ruled America for at least the last fifty years: it is more-or-less an artifact of the military industrial complex that took control after WW2. But, today, it is completely in-bred. Its political view of the country is: "let them eat cake."

Now, it is worth pointing out that Mme. Antoinette was not being cruel when she said those words: she was simply being clueless. She had never known hunger. "If the baker had messed up the bread today, then surely there was plenty of cake to be had, and wouldn't the people prefer to eat that, instead?"

TPS, Inc. is entirely accustomed to there being only two political choices in the USA, and that they own both of them, between the Demoblican™ and the Republocrat™ brands. But, in this they err. Today, they are "unfit to rule."

They are not "the only choice," and they never have been. In fact, in most of this nation's history there have been many genuinely-competing candidates.

There is, today, a new generation of people in this country who, I predict, will be far more demanding of their political leadership than TPS, Inc. knows how to handle. Things that seem unthinkable to the "old guard," such as a well-run Constitutional Convention that will actually produce at least a few excellent proposals worth enacting, are part of that forthcoming reality.

John VV 02-28-2016 09:30 PM

it is because Trump really is "zaphod beeblebrox" in the
" VOTE FOR STUPID ! " contest

jamison20000e 02-28-2016 09:42 PM

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frankbell 02-28-2016 10:36 PM

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it is because Trump really is "zaphod beeblebrox"
Zaphod Beeblebrox was a fool, but he had not malice.

Chauncey Devega, an academician, blogger, and podcaster whom I respect mightily, thinks that Trump is playing the crowd, channeling the perfect professional wrestling "heel." I'm not a fan of pro wrestling, at least not since the days of the Ripper and the Swede, but I have attended a show (it was First Son's birthday present a long time ago) and they do know how to work a crowd.

http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2016/0...ut-donald.html

RPI 02-28-2016 10:36 PM

@ sundialsvcs

Believe me, I'm the last person in the world who don't want Trump as President. He's just too eccentric in his political beliefs.

But if he continues to extend his percentage points above the other candidates he will be a very strong contender coming this November. I just have a churning feeling in my gut he might win.

sundialsvcs 02-29-2016 02:34 PM

It's an interesting possibility. However, I doubt that this is the actual grand strategy.

I think that Mr. Trump would be miserable, and ineffective, in the White House because the POTUS job-description is a mixture of opposites. As military commander-in-chief, the POTUS is "s/he who must be obeyed." But, as a civil CEO of one of the largest organizations in the world, he has only the power of persuasion ... and a board-of-directors of more than 650 members, none of whom have to do anything you say. They'll send you a single bill that's two thousand pages long, which you must either sign in its entirety or reject in its entirety, and they'll hold you hostage by arranging the government to run out of money and shut down if you don't. Not a job that I would want to have.

Basically, I think that this is just an indication that "the Two-Party System, Inc." has, at long last, "run out of steam" as they have also run out of ideas. They grew immensely rich over the past fifty years, but it's Rumpelstiltskin money. They no longer serve or represent the collective interests of over 350 million people, and ("let them eat cake") no longer particularly try to.

jamison20000e 02-29-2016 04:16 PM

Even if; I don't see it lasting, even four years?

cousinlucky 03-03-2016 04:55 AM

One thing is very clear to me; the voters in the United States of America are fed up with the " system " that bails out corrupt banks, gets into needless wars, and bleeds the average working stiff to death with taxes and fees, etc.!! The big question in my mind is not what kind of a president Donald Trump would be; the big question is whether " the entrenched system " will get rid of him the same way that it got rid of president Kennedy!!

sundialsvcs 03-03-2016 06:58 AM

Well, let us leave that thought right there on the ground where it lays, shall we? :mad:

Everyone in political office ... or in high-dollar real estate, for that matter ... knows that they face mortal danger every day. (A young Arizona Congresswoman just tried to do a little "stumping" at a grocery store ... etc.) But, let's not so much as discuss ... murder. Here, there, or anywhere.

You're absolutely right that the present political establishment, and the country, is at a turning point. But nothing good ever comes from violence -- or public discussion of violence -- and nothing ever will. Even a presidential candidate is a representation of a noble idea that "we can actually," peacefully, non-violently, "govern ourselves." He or she is pursuing the most difficult job on Planet Earth, and it is a symbol of the nation itself.

jamison20000e 03-03-2016 10:23 AM

Balderdash. Is it murder if both parties are armed? Yes but!

sundialsvcs 03-03-2016 10:51 AM

It is murder to assassinate anyone, and it is certainly not in good form even to discuss it.

Linux_Kidd 03-03-2016 11:15 AM

it is very simple. just the same way Obama got in, via talk and ability to appease at the right time.

put the pieces together and you end up with populous who are done with party leadership who are failing us in all directions, now comes along a savvy outsider who can talk about how bad the others have done, and now its time for change.

i was not able to make this video yet, but with my new gopro i am getting ready to capture some video and do some editing, but here's the script (in context of all candidates):

fade from black to horse pooping in the pen
fade to black
fade from black of two people cowboy boots from about chest height (1st person view), one man one boy
boy says "well dad, who will we vote for?"
dad says "you know son, we have Republicans and Democrats to pick from, here, let me show you"
man and boy take a slow stroll out to the pile of horse poop, camera filming down at their cowboy boot steps
they arrive at the pile of poop
dad says, while sifting the pile of poop with his boot toe, "you know son, here's what you got to pick from, choose the best looking piece you can".
dad continues to sift the poop around
fade to black

jamison20000e 03-03-2016 11:29 AM

:D
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d*uche or turd
Guns don't kill people governments do, can we get an e d u!

rokytnji 03-03-2016 05:23 PM

Good folks can't run for office. Corporate News will tear them to shreds.

Now. Define Good Folks. Kinda like asking "what linux should I install" or "which flavor of icecream tastes best".

The answer varies like the religion or windows mega thread.

Pile of turds? No wonder. You get what you wish for. Now deal with it.

jamison20000e 03-03-2016 07:01 PM

"Presidents" (or voters of people :rolleyes: for that matter) aren't equal &c...
 
(Unless it's for my softball team:) I have a problem voting for bodies, one way or another.
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Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5509827)
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Makes sense but somethings are straight forward, >> the religions even chiseled some down for us. [easy]Food and education[/easy] but multiplied by seven billion heads, F1! :banghead:

wpeckham 03-03-2016 07:17 PM

Primate behavior
 
My young (early 20s) son made several observations today that caught my attention. None involved politics at the time. One was that there are people who cannot really debate. They have no clear ideas, just bullet points, and they argue as if the loudest person in the room wins.

That suddenly made the Trump campaign, and followers, make sense to me: they are from that population. He does not have to make sense, be intelligent, know ANYTHING as long as he makes points loudly and puts on a good show.

Have we (the U.S.A.), as a country, fallen so far that the loudest monkey leads the troop?

jamison20000e 03-03-2016 07:24 PM

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sundialsvcs 03-03-2016 09:25 PM

Oh, both of them are very definitely "establishment picks."

Out of the more than 360 million citizens in this country, you are being offered a carefully hand-picked slate of exactly two ... not more than three ... names.

The Soviet Politburo in its heyday had far more "turnover" than the United States Senate.

Linux_Kidd 03-03-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wpeckham (Post 5509879)
My young (early 20s) son made several observations today that caught my attention. None involved politics at the time. One was that there are people who cannot really debate. They have no clear ideas, just bullet points, and they argue as if the loudest person in the room wins.

That suddenly made the Trump campaign, and followers, make sense to me: they are from that population. He does not have to make sense, be intelligent, know ANYTHING as long as he makes points loudly and puts on a good show.

Have we (the U.S.A.), as a country, fallen so far that the loudest monkey leads the troop?

yep. more time spent (wasted) on Facecrook and farts-gram sites then learning about the system and who candidates are, or who we are voting into congress, or even local govt for that matter. to close that gap we need another generation or two.

govt isnt helping citizens, so why should citizens help the govt?

jamison20000e 03-03-2016 11:30 PM

Fed up!
 
$tates, :twocents:ities and most importantly people should have more power than your elected offi:twocents:ial$ but they won't get the schools in order for that! I am cool with lazy people. I just pick jobs where I don't have to rely on them[1] but if the bosses are lazy, let's just call it gridlock :rolleyes: and what would be the best job to last at being lazy?
  1. or if I have to bust them out to the boss (right in front of them of course) then it's "snitch" a word for children, inmates and apparently lazy people
https://youtu.be/tR-qQcNT_fY

sundialsvcs 03-04-2016 07:44 AM

Let us kindly remember that the population of the United States is over 360 million people.

The US Senate is 100 people. The House, about 550. The Court, seven six. The President, one.

The entire "US Government" sits in one moderately sized room each year to hear the POTUS give a "State of the Union" speech.

Do the math: these people are vastly outnumbered, and they cannot impose their will upon millions of people. Nor do they. The "tales of national helplessness and hand-wringing" spewed by the Press are nothing more than propaganda, and should be taken as such.

It is quite obvious that the US is at another turning-point, as is the "Two (count' em ... Two) Party System, Inc." which ruled the country for about the last sixty years. "TPS, Inc." has lost its way and has squandered the wealth of a nation. I believe that its power is waning, and that one of the key linchpins of its hold on power will soon be removed: public officials, including judges and justices and even members of "the fourth branch," will no longer have unlimited terms of office. They will be made to live in fear of, "You're Fired!" (But, not as The Donald would have it ...)

It will change everything when these people are made to realize that they do "serve at the pleasure of the people." That they can be drummed out of Washington, DC at a moment's notice, simply because enough people "just don't like them anymore."

Our English friends remind us from time to time that they can throw out their Parliament and replace it within a few weeks – and that they have done so before.


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