UBUNTU not KUBUNTU
 

OK I have learned something serious. I chose KDE, as do many newbies to linux land and Kubuntu's flashy graphics. I WAS DEAD WRONG. Don't get me wrong KDE is nice and pretty, but GNOME with UBUNTU is far more integrated and mature. Kubuntu should not have been released, or not put on equal footing.

Synaptic, Ubuntu's hardware detection, and many other features (like the hardware database button for UBTUNTU) show Kubuntu is not fully integrated YET. When the smooth integration and continuity and polish reach Ubuntu's bastard KDE cousin we'll talk, but for now GNOME and Ubuntu fulfilled even what Kubuntu (which I thought I loved) could not.

Kubuntu needs to mature, it needs more time, lets not gives newbies the impression that Ubuntu works or has the same flaws, because Ubuntu is polished gold and Kubuntu is tarnished silver as of yet.

John

No question, just venting?

I like Kubuntu I love KDE but the only thing that I don't like about it is that there is too much dependancies. For example I have to use KPDF and KGhostscript to view .pdfs I can't configure my own for example Adobe Acrobat 7.0 like I do on Ubuntu with GNOME. I love Konqueror great browser, the only thing I hate is the fact that it crashes too much. Safari is based on KHTML 3.4 and doesn't have the problems that Konqueror has. So Ubuntu is overall better, Kubuntu is the first release so I foresee it to become better. Thats why I prefer Mandriva because with the mini install. It enables me to install the software I want. So you have some point, but then again we will have to wait and see. SuSE has done really well, and itself is KDE based.

Why don't you complain to the developers so that they can improve their products instead of posting your rants here where nothing can be done about them.

That's very true. Sometimes people are complaining like linuxquestions or its users are linux/unix developpers/vendors...

I don't complain because I am using a product that someone took the time to create, I just point out the things that I would kind of like, and compare it to other distros. I like Kubuntu, I wouldn't be using it if I didn't.

I dont understand what the big deal of saying kubuntu is better or ubuntu is better. Use the one you prefer or use both. Whether you start off with ubuntu or kubuntu, you can easily install the other desktop manager with apt-get which I do. I use mostly KDE about 80% of the time,but still like to go into gnome and see how things are in there (yes I like CHOICE...one of the best things about linux imo). If you like the hardware database you can use it either in gnome or kde, as well as synaptic or any other app if you have it installed. So stop complaining and enjoy what you have, and if you want something from the other just install it!..there is no law against using synaptic in kubuntu or k3b in gnome, works well in either!!!!

and for a little extra...heres my desktop ...why I prefer KDE...
[img=http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8210/ubuntuwaterbyjeju6vh.th.jpg]

WELL PUT!

now i have to ask, what weather and system monitor software is that? lol

Refers to previous hardware issue...
 

Listen, Kubuntu WILL be a fine product. I LIKE KDE. I have already reported bugs.

I dont want Ubuntu with its polish product to be lessened for other new users, whether they are computer savvy or not, to miss out on a wonderful opportunity because the developers of Kubuntu didnt fully integrate the same usability features.

1.) Missing the automated bug-report tool.

2.) No "Ubuntu Device Database" To submit my hardware configurations to the developer for added support.

Ubuntu with GNOME and ALSA detects and plays my audio card. (Default ISO install)

(K)ubuntu with KDE's Arts, does not behave well with ALSA. (Default ISO install)

Why are these and other awesome features missing from (K)ubuntu.

This will be sent to the developers.

John

P.S. These arent the only issues needing addressed with Kubuntu.

improverrr: It is Liquid Crystal Weather and Fantastik-2.0 for SuperKaramba which can be downloaded from kde-look.org.


Groovelab: I have the 1.)automated bug-report tool and 2.)Ubuntu Device Database in my Kubuntu...because I installed kubuntu-desktop through apt-get after I installed Ubuntu. You can look at this screen capture to see for yourself

[img=http://img178.echo.cx/img178/6580/kubuntuvmware9jc.th.jpg]

rather than having a 5 disc bloated distro, I prefer having a single cd installation disc and installing additional stuff afterwards, usually even after installing all the discs on other distro's, you still have to upgrade the majority of the stuff after the install through apt/yum/yast/urpmi, which takes the same amount of time as installing additional software you want after the default ubuntu or kubuntu installation, except you only have to download one iso image in the beginning and it is a lean distro from the start. If you installed ubuntu, and you want the kde/kubuntu stuff do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings or use synaptic...vice versa if you have kubuntu and you want to install gnome (go through synaptic and select the gnome parts you want)...it is easy....and works great, gives user the freedom of choice and starts off with a pretty strong default setting whether you are in ubuntu or kubuntu.

P.S. - also in Warty if you installed the kde stuff (prior to the kubuntu guys work in Hoary) it was a pretty horrid & broken kde....so props to the kubuntu guys for their work.

Well to further muddy the waters, I can see everyones point. Kubuntu isn't Ubuntu. I still love it however and rather that rant about it, I'd bite my toungue for 6 months or so and watch for the improvement later. It's always a moving target. Welcome to the world of computers. Once you think it can't be improved, it invariably ALWAYS does.

I gave Kubuntu a 9.5 out of 10 in a separate posts, but the other .5 was missing because of the occational KDE crash. Hey, it's KDE! It's like having a beautiful girlfriend, the prettier she is, the more crap you are willing to put up with. I'm not willing to dump KDE yet!

i started with ubuntu cause i enjoy the simplicity of the gnome interface, but ended up using apt-get to download kde, which essentially gave me kubuntu.

i havnt gone back to gnome yet, mainly because i absolutely HATE the windows 95 style of folder browsing(where a new window pops up with each new folder, it has to be the most annoying thing any operating system can use, i much rather prefer a web based style look to viewing folders/files on my computer like what windows 98+ use)

Nodren

<i havnt gone back to gnome yet, mainly because i absolutely HATE the windows 95 style of folder browsing(where a new window pops up with each new folder....>


You can fix that easily enough.

Run Configuration Editor -->apps/nautilus/preferences/ then check 'always use browser'.
problem solved.

after receiving that tip, and spending the past 30 minutes setting up gnome how i want it: ubuntu > kubuntu

Yes I have to say, that I have tried Redhat 6 thru 9 then Fedora Core 2- 3 and finally Slackware 10 all the time using KDE. I am totally impressed with Ubuntu, and have really come to like Gnome, after fixing that multiple windows problem and some other stuff; but the operating system itself is just smooth and just works for all my hardware.

So far my favorite distribution!

I couldn't even stand to boot up into gnome until 2.4 but now, it's the only thing I install. But then, I understand the power of selective perception. People like different things and for no apparent reason other than they say so.

I installed Kubuntu on my father's machine.. Looks promising, but there were one or two problems with KDE 3.4 which have already been documented and brought to the attention of the developers..

So I installed Gnome, and - Wow! Ubuntu is a terrific distro - it's already come a long way from Warty... everything just works nicely, and the Gnome set up is great. And I've not tended to like Gnome in the past..

If this distro continues to improve as it has been to date, its future going to be very, very bright. I reckon the next Kubuntu will be great.

I forgot to mention one important reason I love Ubuntu, the fglrx video drivers for my ATI 9600 card installed and run beautifully with one click in synaptic. This after 4 months of building modules, struggling and praying the card would work every time I compiled a kernel in Slackware(not that I'm dissing Slackware).

It's a big deal for me, I can play Quake 2 again :}

So what are these problems with KDE. Are they Kubuntu specific because I run KDE on Slack and have not had any show stoppers.

i stil prefer kubuntu over ubuntu be it any comparioson in any area
also i have got all the packages of ubuntu installed on kubuntu itself
so i have both desktops

regards

My nickel's worth
 

I installed ubuntu and added the kde desktop using sudo. My experience so far has been with Fedora 3. After OS install, the bootloader recognized my windows partition and fedora partition and gives a very reassuring msg that all 3 OS will be fine. I let it install a new MBR. Bad move on my part. ubuntu was fine, windows xp was fine, fedora 3's root filesystem was very damaged and not bootable. It took hours to sort out. All that said, I found the gnome desktop worked quite well and kde was very buggy in several areas, which has already been pointed out. I know many of these issues get resolved in time so we must understand the ubuntu/kubuntu distros are still fairly new. Any linux distro will require some time to customerize to our taste and desired uses. For now, I find my needs are met best by Fedora 3 -- so far the only distro that has detected and properly configured my USB SB Audigy 2 NX sound card, ATI radeon 9200 video card/Samsung 710 LCD monitor. Many thanks for all the hard work all the Linux developers do to provide us fantastic OS's for no charge!

No show stoppers here even on 3.4. There is the occasional KDE crash, and its not as solidly integrated as Gnome and Ubuntu, but it's nothing that would turn me away.

Yes, regarding the 'problems' I mentioned, nothing serious really - Konqueror has a habit of crashing with the sidebar enabled; a temporary fix has been proposed which works (check the Kubuntu forums for details). I've also noticed Konqueror crashing on exit, but again it isn't serious - I'm in broad agreement with Ghight really.

The KDE integration isn't as good as with Gnome - it doesn't feel as tight.

I installed KDE on regular ubuntu, it works great.

After experimenting with Ubuntu, I tried Kubuntu, and I've stuck with the latter. It feels as if KDE allows me more control over the system. Yes, it's not as fully integrated as GNOME. I can't stand Kynaptic; I don't like not being able to see the installation process of packages through the terminal. So I installed Synaptic, and the problem is solved. Yes, it's not very appealing. But I use apt-get primarily, so I'm not even using the program that much. I've also installed GIMP because I'm expecting a digital SLR soon, but right now it's not an issue. I'm really looking forward to Kubuntu 5.10's further integration of KDE (although I'm not psyched at all about the corporate leanings of Ubuntu), but right now it's fine.

To each his own.

If you want your gtk apps like synaptic, gaim, gimp etc to look like native KDE apps, then install gtkqt theme engine.

I just prefer kde, easier to configure, very pretty, works nicely with dual monitors (gnome in warty had some issues with that) and I don't mind it not being as well integrated, when things are running smoothly it dosn't matter. I love konqueror, all that, my only gripe is that it dosn't seaperate my "file browser" bookmarks from my "web" bookmarks, so Its like an awkward combination of the os 10.3 file browser sidebar with my several hundred bookmarks.

that said, I use gnome when I need the best integration. my install is actualy ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop added on. And lets not forget fluxbox too!

Well, I installed Kubuntu, but after a few glitches with KDE 3.4, decided to give Gnome a whirl. I've definitely been very much more of a KDE fan than Gnome in the past, but I've got to say, after a week or so with Gnome, I'm really warming to it. KDE is certainly more 'configurable' and there's lots more to play with, but Gnome is subtle - the power is there if you look for it. The lack of 'up front' config options is beginning to make sense to me - I'm starting to like the simple ease of use... and it's certainly quicker than KDE, although the difference is small. The only thing I really miss is the lack of a decent integrated file manager / web browser like Konqueror, which I rated very highly, and I also thought that Kontact was a fine application. Obviously, I could run both of these from within Gnome, but that kind of misses the point..

I think the kubuntu was a good idea, it's nice, I like KDE, but with new releases of gnome, I'm starting to migrate to gnome.

The thing is, if you get ubuntu, or kubuntu, it's VERY easy in fact to use apt to get gnome, or kde, so in kubuntu, you can download gnome and use both, and in ubuntu you can get and use kde as well.

that is the reason i prefer my distro with

kubuntu+ubuntu

regards

Just one question. I'm new to ubuntu or actually kubuntu, because like a lot of people, I just got used to KDE (my first distro was SuSE and they did a nice job with KDE)
I like KDE apps, but wanna try ubuntu with Gnome, so my question is: I can run them if I install kde libraries or something? Even if I can't - I'll still try it.


thx,
svinka

I ran kde and gnome together a few times, and some package messes up the kmenu, and the kde desktop, so I don't reccomend it.

in ubuntu, I'm sure you could install kdelibs for things like apollon, and other apps that need it, and all other kde applications, but trying to run a kde desktop with gnome won't work correctly unless you uninstall gnome.

I used to use kde, it was in my first distro I ever used (redhat 9) now I have gentoo stage1, and I love gnome, gnome has really improved, so definitely try it.

Feel stupid haven't downloaded it already! :D Anyway, I really do hope Gnome is better with X than KDE, cuz that thing is annoying me. I mean, a lot of things just don't start :( Maybe it's not KDE, but still, I'll just try it and see.

thx,
svinka

svinka, start another thread in the correct area about your KDE problems and I'm sure we can get your issues resolved. I use Suse 9.3 for everything (desktop and servers) at work and am suprised to hear about your KDE issues. I have the occasional Konqueror problem but everything else is solid. I like Kubuntu, but IMHO, Suse KDE is a little more reliable for whatever reason.

If you find you like GNOME well then thats fine too.

No, no, no, ghight, you're absolutely right, I have SuSE 9.3 and I use ONLY KDE with it. KDE in SuSE has almost no problems, and the ones there are, I can live with, or solve them by myself. I'm talking about KDE in Kubuntu, which is actualy wierd.

In SuSE, everything is nice and neatly organized - here, couple of folders with everything dumped into them. A lot of apps just not listed, kde-su simply refuses to recognize my root password (nothing serious, just run it from console, takes a bit more time tho), synaptic way more serious and better than its KDE clone...

Of course, I, as a fan of Total Cmd, can't live w/o Krusader, like Konqueror more than Nautilus, etc. I'd just like those apps running and I don't really care what desktop I'm running. I would've started another thread, if I knew that I'll definately stick to Kubuntu. I just burned the Ubuntu live-install DVD to check it out and then maybe install. If I don't like it (and everybody says I will like it) - I guess I would need some help.


Sorry if I confused you :D,
svinka

I personally had a terrible experience with Ubuntu/Kubuntu. It just didn't work for me. That's the great thing about Linux. It's just OK and we have tons of choices. These distributions are still fairly new and will continue to get better with each release.

I personally am using SuSE 9.3 (KDE 3.4.1 only) as my workhorse and Fedora Core 4 (KDE 3.4.1 and Gnome 2.10) as my hobby and tinker distro.

I love human nature! Here I am typing in one of these threads like many of you have made an entry here. Instead I should be using my energy on other things. Like maybe working to solve a few other issues on my own computer or I could even be typing to help somebody with a problem -- instead of offering an opinion that's only an opinion!

Oh well, it's fun to listen and be heard anyway! Enjoy the rest of the day!

yeah, I had bad experiences with ubuntu and kubuntu, neither would install on my amd64 box, they froze at the second part of the install, then got kernel panics, and a few other people I know had the same problem.

Sounds like it has some stability and compatibility issues.

So cheater1034--

I'm reading up on the Gentoo installation. I downloaded the ISO. Is the install as tough as what I've read. It looks like all from terminal install. Any tips? I've posted a few ?'s in the Gentoo forum and fast responses to help. Any feedback/ideas are really welcome!

rofl. If I were to compare my girlfriend to a piece of software, I think she'd slap me :P

For my two cents, as i've posted somewhere else already, i like kde > gnome, but it doesn't mean i have no respect for the g-people. Full props to them, they are both excellent desktops.

well, it is not difficult, you just can't give up, people boot the cd and say "i can't do this" and they don't even attempt, read the install manual, it is way descriptive, and is easy to understand, and the install should be easy.

I reccomend reading through the whole manual once, it may take awhile, then printing it, or viewing it in links on the minimal cd, and follow along, just so you understand better.

and if you still can't figure it out, try, http://desktop.vidalinux.com/ it's gentoo, except the kernel gave me trouble, I recompiled it and it didn't work, personally i think if you have trouble with vidalinux, it's vidalinux, it's not a gentoo thing, so vidalinux can set a bad impression.

Kubuntu was exactly what I needed for my desktop machine(see below). It's Debian Sid, preconfigured with KDE (sorry, I flat refuse to look at Gnome anymore), with decent 64-bit performance, on a single CD.

Use whatever works for you, but don't dog the work of volunteer developers just because it wasn't what you were looking for. These people (Kubuntu developers) should be thanked, not chastised. Not to mention this is the first version of Kubuntu as someone pointed out. Not bad considering that I must say. It sure performs a lot faster and better than SuSE did on the hardware below.

yes it runs faster than suse, suse is a easier-based, more graphical distribution, so most distributions are faster.

I like ubuntu, when it works, thought its still not my favorite, i dogged the developers because it has compatibility and possible stability issues. Like I said it crashed on my amd64 computer, when i tried to install the amd64 version twice, and the x86 version once, it crashed at the exact same spot, and on a friend of mines computer, he has a athlon xp, it crashed on the x86 install as well.

I mean, that is definitely not normal, it crashed using dpkg to install a file, and rebooted into a kernel panic.

it worked on a 500 mhz i have, and I liked it, but now that computer runs raw debian, instead of a debian-based distribution, and my amd64 runs gentoo.

For what it's worth, Kubuntu has gremlins like everything else. I guess there is nothing saying that rant threads aren't welcome, heck, I've dropped one or two as well, but this is an old thread. It's turned in to an op-ed piece that on the scale of useful information barely even rates. In three pages of responses there has been nothing asked and nothing fixed.

I think it needs to be left to die gracefully.

Hey this might be the wrong place to post this but I would really appreciate the help. I downloaded kubuntu. but its not in an iso form. its a rar file and when I unzipped it, it just threw like 12 files on my PC and I couldnt figure out how to turn that mess in to a bootable image. Anyone who has been able to do so I would really like to learn. I really liked ubuntu but I just cant use gnome.
thanks

did you download it from kubuntus website?

did you download it as a rar or iso?

do you have winrar installed, and set to handle isos? because by default, in windows, winrar handles isos, and it may be iso format, but just with the winrar icon.

try changing the format to iso, by renaming it in linux, or changing the settings in windows, then rename it, and remove .rar, and add .iso.

(cough) New Thread! (cough cough)

Ok, now I've tried both of them. Hmmm... It's really hard for me to say, which is better. Actually impossible, it's basicaly the same distro, because even if you download KDE for Ubuntu, it says "kubuntu" on the startup screen and the theme is just the same. Both of them I have on the DVD, which also has the LiveCD option, so I did check them out before installing.

Kubuntu was a bit raw, features like the mighty synaptic turned into something as wierd as Kynaptic (well, i didn't like it, and it's really easy to fix it as was mentioned in this thread). A lot of other features where simply not installed (no prob tho). What can I say? I still liked it. I don't like easy stuff, it's boring. When everything works perfectly at the beggining, you don't learn anything, and I get bored with (although it is a great feeling when everything works from the first try, it is a much BETTER feeling when everything starts to work after days of :confused: and :study: , cuz then you'll finally be :D :D :D IMO)

Now back to the topic. Ubuntu. It's great. I saw tons of features "integrated" into the system, and it's nice. Didn't like the App's menu, wanted to edit it and got myself a headache :D, but as I said, it's nice to learn something new.

Kubuntu is really new, and the developers done a great job! I liked Gnome, but KDE is easier and faster for me, because sometimes tiny DM problems stand in my way when I have to solve a bigger one. But hey, it does get sorted out eventualy!

I guess I'll try to make Kubuntu work, cuz I believe it's gonna be fun (yea, rite :D ), or I'll wait till the Breezy, and then do it... Anyways, I'm still thinking :D

If you want to try Ubuntu/Kubuntu and need to find out whats right for you - I suggest downloading LiveCD's (if you have that oportunity), cuz once you boot up, it's what you're gonna start with after the installation. If you can't do that, choose Ubuntu, unless you just hate Gnome.

Wow, pretty long post, tried to tell you what I was thinking. Hope I didn't get too far :D



Good luck!
svinka

Yeah I downloaded it from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/ and I selected the install image. I have winrar installed and it is set to handle iso images. yet it does not appear to be in iso image, the file name is kubuntu-5.04-install-i386 and the file type is winrar archive. I dont know, is there any other place to get it? Or am I screwing something up?

Yes, I run Kate text editor in Ubuntu Hoary Gnome with no problems. Using apt-get install kate installed the necessary KDE libs.

Damnit! Thats why I dont understand Linux, Im using Kubuntu!