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Old 05-07-2005, 04:11 AM   #1
Groovelab
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UBUNTU not KUBUNTU


OK I have learned something serious. I chose KDE, as do many newbies to linux land and Kubuntu's flashy graphics. I WAS DEAD WRONG. Don't get me wrong KDE is nice and pretty, but GNOME with UBUNTU is far more integrated and mature. Kubuntu should not have been released, or not put on equal footing.

Synaptic, Ubuntu's hardware detection, and many other features (like the hardware database button for UBTUNTU) show Kubuntu is not fully integrated YET. When the smooth integration and continuity and polish reach Ubuntu's bastard KDE cousin we'll talk, but for now GNOME and Ubuntu fulfilled even what Kubuntu (which I thought I loved) could not.

Kubuntu needs to mature, it needs more time, lets not gives newbies the impression that Ubuntu works or has the same flaws, because Ubuntu is polished gold and Kubuntu is tarnished silver as of yet.

John
 
Old 05-07-2005, 06:37 AM   #2
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No question, just venting?
 
Old 05-07-2005, 03:11 PM   #3
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I like Kubuntu I love KDE but the only thing that I don't like about it is that there is too much dependancies. For example I have to use KPDF and KGhostscript to view .pdfs I can't configure my own for example Adobe Acrobat 7.0 like I do on Ubuntu with GNOME. I love Konqueror great browser, the only thing I hate is the fact that it crashes too much. Safari is based on KHTML 3.4 and doesn't have the problems that Konqueror has. So Ubuntu is overall better, Kubuntu is the first release so I foresee it to become better. Thats why I prefer Mandriva because with the mini install. It enables me to install the software I want. So you have some point, but then again we will have to wait and see. SuSE has done really well, and itself is KDE based.
 
Old 05-07-2005, 03:33 PM   #4
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Why don't you complain to the developers so that they can improve their products instead of posting your rants here where nothing can be done about them.
 
Old 05-07-2005, 04:24 PM   #5
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Quote:
Originally posted by reddazz
Why don't you complain to the developers so that they can improve their products instead of posting your rants here where nothing can be done about them.
That's very true. Sometimes people are complaining like linuxquestions or its users are linux/unix developpers/vendors...
 
Old 05-07-2005, 04:28 PM   #6
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I don't complain because I am using a product that someone took the time to create, I just point out the things that I would kind of like, and compare it to other distros. I like Kubuntu, I wouldn't be using it if I didn't.
 
Old 05-07-2005, 06:23 PM   #7
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I dont understand what the big deal of saying kubuntu is better or ubuntu is better. Use the one you prefer or use both. Whether you start off with ubuntu or kubuntu, you can easily install the other desktop manager with apt-get which I do. I use mostly KDE about 80% of the time,but still like to go into gnome and see how things are in there (yes I like CHOICE...one of the best things about linux imo). If you like the hardware database you can use it either in gnome or kde, as well as synaptic or any other app if you have it installed. So stop complaining and enjoy what you have, and if you want something from the other just install it!..there is no law against using synaptic in kubuntu or k3b in gnome, works well in either!!!!

and for a little extra...heres my desktop ...why I prefer KDE...
[img=http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8210/ubuntuwaterbyjeju6vh.th.jpg]

Last edited by luna6; 05-07-2005 at 06:24 PM.
 
Old 05-07-2005, 07:04 PM   #8
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Quote:
Originally posted by luna6
I dont understand what the big deal of saying kubuntu is better or ubuntu is better. Use the one you prefer or use both. Whether you start off with ubuntu or kubuntu, you can easily install the other desktop manager with apt-get which I do. I use mostly KDE about 80% of the time,but still like to go into gnome and see how things are in there (yes I like CHOICE...one of the best things about linux imo). If you like the hardware database you can use it either in gnome or kde, as well as synaptic or any other app if you have it installed. So stop complaining and enjoy what you have, and if you want something from the other just install it!..there is no law against using synaptic in kubuntu or k3b in gnome, works well in either!!!!

and for a little extra...heres my desktop ...why I prefer KDE...
[img=http://img205.echo.cx/img205/8210/ubuntuwaterbyjeju6vh.th.jpg]
WELL PUT!

now i have to ask, what weather and system monitor software is that? lol
 
Old 05-08-2005, 01:05 AM   #9
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Refers to previous hardware issue...

Listen, Kubuntu WILL be a fine product. I LIKE KDE. I have already reported bugs.

I dont want Ubuntu with its polish product to be lessened for other new users, whether they are computer savvy or not, to miss out on a wonderful opportunity because the developers of Kubuntu didnt fully integrate the same usability features.

1.) Missing the automated bug-report tool.

2.) No "Ubuntu Device Database" To submit my hardware configurations to the developer for added support.

Ubuntu with GNOME and ALSA detects and plays my audio card. (Default ISO install)

(K)ubuntu with KDE's Arts, does not behave well with ALSA. (Default ISO install)

Why are these and other awesome features missing from (K)ubuntu.

This will be sent to the developers.

John

P.S. These arent the only issues needing addressed with Kubuntu.

Last edited by Groovelab; 05-08-2005 at 01:22 AM.
 
Old 05-08-2005, 02:53 AM   #10
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improverrr: It is Liquid Crystal Weather and Fantastik-2.0 for SuperKaramba which can be downloaded from kde-look.org.


Groovelab: I have the 1.)automated bug-report tool and 2.)Ubuntu Device Database in my Kubuntu...because I installed kubuntu-desktop through apt-get after I installed Ubuntu. You can look at this screen capture to see for yourself

[img=http://img178.echo.cx/img178/6580/kubuntuvmware9jc.th.jpg]

rather than having a 5 disc bloated distro, I prefer having a single cd installation disc and installing additional stuff afterwards, usually even after installing all the discs on other distro's, you still have to upgrade the majority of the stuff after the install through apt/yum/yast/urpmi, which takes the same amount of time as installing additional software you want after the default ubuntu or kubuntu installation, except you only have to download one iso image in the beginning and it is a lean distro from the start. If you installed ubuntu, and you want the kde/kubuntu stuff do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings or use synaptic...vice versa if you have kubuntu and you want to install gnome (go through synaptic and select the gnome parts you want)...it is easy....and works great, gives user the freedom of choice and starts off with a pretty strong default setting whether you are in ubuntu or kubuntu.

P.S. - also in Warty if you installed the kde stuff (prior to the kubuntu guys work in Hoary) it was a pretty horrid & broken kde....so props to the kubuntu guys for their work.

Last edited by luna6; 05-08-2005 at 03:00 AM.
 
Old 05-09-2005, 10:16 AM   #11
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Well to further muddy the waters, I can see everyones point. Kubuntu isn't Ubuntu. I still love it however and rather that rant about it, I'd bite my toungue for 6 months or so and watch for the improvement later. It's always a moving target. Welcome to the world of computers. Once you think it can't be improved, it invariably ALWAYS does.

I gave Kubuntu a 9.5 out of 10 in a separate posts, but the other .5 was missing because of the occational KDE crash. Hey, it's KDE! It's like having a beautiful girlfriend, the prettier she is, the more crap you are willing to put up with. I'm not willing to dump KDE yet!
 
Old 05-09-2005, 06:10 PM   #12
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i started with ubuntu cause i enjoy the simplicity of the gnome interface, but ended up using apt-get to download kde, which essentially gave me kubuntu.

i havnt gone back to gnome yet, mainly because i absolutely HATE the windows 95 style of folder browsing(where a new window pops up with each new folder, it has to be the most annoying thing any operating system can use, i much rather prefer a web based style look to viewing folders/files on my computer like what windows 98+ use)
 
Old 05-09-2005, 06:28 PM   #13
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Nodren

<i havnt gone back to gnome yet, mainly because i absolutely HATE the windows 95 style of folder browsing(where a new window pops up with each new folder....>


You can fix that easily enough.

Run Configuration Editor -->apps/nautilus/preferences/ then check 'always use browser'.
problem solved.
 
Old 05-10-2005, 12:08 AM   #14
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after receiving that tip, and spending the past 30 minutes setting up gnome how i want it: ubuntu > kubuntu
 
Old 05-10-2005, 08:05 AM   #15
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Yes I have to say, that I have tried Redhat 6 thru 9 then Fedora Core 2- 3 and finally Slackware 10 all the time using KDE. I am totally impressed with Ubuntu, and have really come to like Gnome, after fixing that multiple windows problem and some other stuff; but the operating system itself is just smooth and just works for all my hardware.

So far my favorite distribution!
 
  


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