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Old 12-28-2008, 04:31 PM   #16
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This is only a phenomena of the entertainment/digital world. You will rarely find this going on in other industries or products. Why is bookshops or book clubs legal, selling and re-distributing new and used books, or libraries and schools re-using books, sometimes given away for free. And what about the comic industry, or second hand car parts, or appliances etc. second hand clothes helping the needy, I can go on.
I didn't realize that the re-selling, or giving away of, original old videos (regardless of format) or music (again regardless of format) was illegal. If that is indeed the case please let me know, with the appropriate links, of my error in thinking.

This would be more to your point, rather than making *illegal* copies of software/videos/music (regardless of format) and making those available, even for free.

Just my thoughts,
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:13 PM   #17
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Remember that BlueRAY is from the same company that brought you the Sony Root Kit on CD's and came out with an mp3 player who's software would seek all mp3's on your hard drive and encrypt them, even mp3's you produced and own yourself.

I have lost any interest in music after they arrested an 80 year old blind man for playing a Beetles song on his harmonica. I don't have an interest in purchasing an HD TV or Blueray player. I use my stereo's video switch which can't work with HD. Also, a 16x9 format screen would have to be very small to fit into my entertainment center.

Consider the early adopters of HD television sets and receivers. Their equipment came out before HDMI cabling was introduced.

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Old 12-28-2008, 05:39 PM   #18
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is that we can all vote with our currency instead of bemoaning what is happening.
One problem - most people don't care about all this. They either pirate or buy stuff. As for DRM - the only problem is getting decryption key, eventually it will be solved.

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2) None of that DRM crap'n'shit would ever be necessary if people didn't just think nothing of stealing movies, music, games, software and everything that's possible.
There is nice quotation: "stealing removes original, piracy makes copy. Piracy is not stealing. It is piracy". Laws for material goods doesn't work for information which can be copied. EVentually all this will be sorted out (and piracy will become legal but paid for), but this didn't happen yet.

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I didn't realize that the re-selling, or giving away of, original old videos (regardless of format) or music (again regardless of format) was illegal.
It isn't, because you transfer all your rights with physical medium.

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b)Ease off 1kyle.
Watch the date when you reply.

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Well, HOW exactly do you think the rampant piracy is seen by the people who invest a lot of time on making the content? Acceptable? Try walking in their shoes for five minutes and tell me what it feels like. What do you do for a living? Let me steal a good portion of your work, I want to see if you find it "acceptable".
You are looking at picture from the wrong point. Multi-media industry could benefit from piracy instead of fighting it.
FYI many people that pirate software/music/videos decide to buy it after using if they like it. I'm talking about sane mature people, not about teenage download junkies or people scared to hell by RIAA. They buy because they want their favorite software/film/music "materialized". And pirated copy isn't equal to lost sale. Person that didn't like downloaded software and deleted it wouldn't buy it anyway. Piracy also works like a good advertising - stuff moves quickly, becomes distributed and well-known quickly and all this with zero cost. So piracy should be used to industry's advantage instead of trying to kill it (which is impossible anyway). I think you might want to read "Pirate's Dilemma". That book has a lot of "water" inside, but still might give you few insights.

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The record companies don't want to invest on new artists anymore. Oh, you don't need no stinkin' record companies thanks to the Internet? Then where is the wave of new brilliant artists making a big name on their own?
I think you are simply nostalgic about "old days". And to my taste "being a brilliant artist" and "having a big name" are very diferrent things, because average person will like average music. And record companies probably know this.

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Oh, give me a break. "Out of principle..." Browse the torrent sites a little and you'll see lots of comments saying "Great movie!" or "This (not free) game is awesome, thanks for sharing!"
Most people that download stuff don't post comments. And most people that do post comments, do it because they are newbies and just found out that you can download stuff from internet, or because they want to be cool or something. Don't be fooled by loudest 1% of users. Typical comments indicate only "like"/"don't like", nothing more. It's not about customer satisfaction, or "I won't buy it".

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It's the people who tend to prefer pirated material.
Piracy is here, and it cannot be destroyed. Industry's attempts to kill it make customers suffer instead. So I think they will try something different eventually.

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FREE CHOICE IS FREE CHOICE,
Loud words and "all cap"(use italic, bold or underlined font instead) are a bit annoying. Stuff about "Freedom" and "free thinkers" sounds nice at first, but it becomes annoying 6 months later. You already have choice - to buy stuff or pirate it (with all consequences). Personally, I think about piracy as of "demo-versions" - you try product, if you don't like it, you delete it. If you like it - you purchase it, and I don't see any problem here. What is interesting, it is what recommended by most groups that develop cracks. Another funny thing is that some groups that develop cracks hate people that put them onto p2p networks. An example:
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We, ******** members, would like You - Dear User, to know the following:

1. We do not want You to spread our releases outside of The Scene.
2. Do NOT contact technical support if You have some issues with our releases.
3. We hate Peer2peer networks (torrents, bearshare, ...), rapidshare etc.
4. We do not make our releases for yOU - Mr. P2P user, we make them for
The Sceners, who contribute something - unlike yOU.
5. To all people who repack our cracks/keygens with spyware/malware: **** YOU
6. We do NOT fix game bugs, unless we can.

And the most important:

7. IF YOU LIKE THIS OR ANY OTHER GAME: BUY IT!!! (Yes, we mean it)"
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Why is bookshops or book clubs legal, selling and re-distributing new and used books, or libraries and schools re-using books, sometimes given away for free.
Because this doesn't create new books. You are confusing reselling with copying. If bookshop will start printing millions of copies of books and giving them away for free, then situation will quickly change.

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I have lost any interest in music after they arrested an 80 year old blind man for playing a Beetles song on his harmonica.
Someone said "if you can hear it, you can copy it".
Now this nicely illustrates why there is piracy. Music, software and video aren't material, and can be easily copied. The laws that were used by record industry for a long time were applicable to a medium used for printing books, disks etc. And right now those don't look reasonable for pure information.

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Old 05-29-2009, 08:01 PM   #19
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Old 07-11-2009, 07:17 AM   #20
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It's wrong, it's that simple.

I can go round the corner to my local video store rent a New Release Bluray movie ($2.20AU overnight) and take it home, I can put it in my computer that I paid money for, that runs Windoze that I paid money for, and attempt to play play it with software that I paid money for, software designed for the purpose of playing Bluray discs, AND YET THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE DISC WILL ACTUALLY PLAY ! ! ! !

It's wrong, it's that simple.

The farting around needed to even try and play it on my Linux PC is beyond acceptable.

It's wrong, it's that simple!

Now you know why I don't buy Bluray movies.
Now you know why I have extra software capable of removing the encryption from Bluray discs.
I'm not a thief or a pirate I simply want to USE WHAT I PAID FOR !!!!

It's wrong, it's that simple!

DRM F**K you and all that support you !!!

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Old 01-08-2010, 08:57 PM   #21
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i find it wrong that they are punishing the common man. the vast majority of people can't be ---ed to learn how to copy media from cd's and dvd's and blu-ray, and those of us are want to copy it will find a way ANYWAYS, all the large companies are doing is buying some time, and in very limited quantities. but by god, when i buy a movie i want to be able to take it, copy it to my computer, and stream it to my xbox because my TV's dvd player is broken! and i refuse to go spend money on a blu-ray player or an external dvd player when my computer can do it all. why should i? i already PAID for a blu-ray player and a dvd player! my computer! and i borrow cd's and dvd's from my friends to view/listen to them. if i like it, i go out and *buy* it. if i don't, i just return it.
it's like when home recording came out with tape recorders and vcr's and such. in the end, guess what, the industries are still here. they're too large to truely suffer unless it became 100% legal. but i firmly believe that if i go out and buy something like a blu-ray i should be able to do with it as i please, seeing as i went out and paid good money for the physical medium.

i rip dvd's to my computer
i rip cd's to my computer
i create digital backups of dvd's, including games, for WHEN the disk is ruined by fog/fading or scratches (it's not an IF in my house)
does this make me a pirate?
 
  


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