Windows 10 anniversary update alters partitions and disables Linux

hydrurga · 08-07-2016, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RadicalDreamer

That is weird since Windows 10 creates a 500M partition when it is first installed.

I think Google, Apple, and Cell phone companies, and the people who bought locked down smartphones/tablets can be thanked for this travesty. Microsoft is playing catch up with the spyware (commercial software is loaded with it) and draconian control of user devices. They've repeatedly failed at copying Apple and Google's success. When I first looked at Microsoft's privacy settings I had a case of deja-vu. I said to myself this looks like Android. People bought into these ecosystems. Windows store takes away features from video games and still sells them at a premium. http://bgr.com/2015/02/18/is-your-sm...spying-on-you/

The average consumer likes it this way. They like having to spend a fortune on a new tablet for a few more gigabytes when all they needed was one with a ssd drive. I can't get windows big updates on my laptop. I suspect lilo overwriting the mbr has something to do with it. I got tired of fooling with it so I went to services and disabled updates for the time being.

I agree with this. Microsoft took one look at Google, Apple etc. and thought "My god, they're actually getting away with it! The consumers don't give a damn about being monetised and giving up their privacy and personal info."

That was very quickly followed by Microsoft thinking "We'll have a slice of that!"

273 · 08-07-2016, 09:51 AM

Without a Windows instance there are many jobs in the UK which one cannot apply for. I've used a Windows 10 evaluation edition VM in the past to get around things but as things stand it's either dual-booting this laptop (as I do) or paying for another copy of Windows 10 to have in a VM. I admit it's rare I need Windows an probably won't for a while but I know I need it in case I apply for certain jobs.

astrogeek · 08-07-2016, 04:03 PM

I just ran across this article which would seem to confirm there is some substance to the original problem cited in this thread:

Windows 10 Anniversary Update deleting Linux partitions?

Slackovado · 08-07-2016, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hydrurga

I agree with this. Microsoft took one look at Google, Apple etc. and thought "My god, they're actually getting away with it! The consumers don't give a damn about being monetised and giving up their privacy and personal info."

That was very quickly followed by Microsoft thinking "We'll have a slice of that!"

Please stay on topic.
And don't put Google and Apple in the same bin.
And as bad as Google is, they still leave Android fairly open - you can use a cell phone without any syncing online. You can sideload apks downloaded from elsewhere.
And you can disable all updates. It's Linux with a GUI.
Apple lets you postpone an update, but no sideloading, and the OS is very much crippled and doesn't let you do much without jailbreaking.
Microsoft with Windows 10 does not give you option to refuse updates (although one can disable them with brute force) or telemetry collecting. Microsoft has simply gone too far.
And it'll come back to bite them in the ass sooner or later.

hydrurga · 08-07-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slackovado

Please stay on topic.

Yes Sir/Ma'am. Sorry to have spoken my mind. Many thanks for your sterling work in keeping the forums running smoothly.

Keep up the good work! :-)

RadicalDreamer · 08-08-2016, 07:29 AM

I updated my laptop using the new windows 10 iso: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO
Then I ran liloconfig expert reinstall and everything is back to the way it should be. It didn't mess with my other partitions.

offgridguy · 08-08-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hazel

If you really really have to have a specialised Windows machine for certain software, you could just keep it off the Internet and then you could use XP or Windows 8 rather than Windows 10.

Good point hazel, I actually do have a Windows 7 machine that I use offline to run
Windows specific software, mainly in the area of photo editing and management.
And software like Band in a box, Forte7, Cube Base, itunes, to mention a few.
I have tried to use wine in the past to run Windows software, it's not worth the fight.

Slackovado · 08-08-2016, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by offgridguy

Good point hazel, I actually do have a Windows 7 machine that I use offline to run
Windows specific software, mainly in the area of photo editing and management.
And software like Band in a box, Forte7, Cube Base, itunes, to mention a few.
I have tried to use wine in the past to run Windows software, it's not worth the fight.

No, and no Hazel does not have a good point. It's obvious he's never done anything like this and is just posting brain farts.
For your own use you have to be on the net if you want to be productive.
And if you're supporting clients running Windows 10 (and that's going to be a good portion of people with new laptops and store bought desktops) you have to have Window 10 to be able to guide them when doing tech support like I sometimes do.
Windows 7 is different enough to make it very difficult, no Settings panel, Start menu different etc.

montagdude · 08-08-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bassmadrigal

If it's an Intel, this is most likely the case.

Alright, so I looked it up just now. Apparently I have 2 12-core Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 processors, each with 1 thread. It's kind of confusing because the vendor info says each core has 2 threads, but /proc/cpuinfo says there is 1 each. Either way, it's plenty.

Slackovado · 08-08-2016, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by astrogeek

I just ran across this article which would seem to confirm there is some substance to the original problem cited in this thread:

Windows 10 Anniversary Update deleting Linux partitions?

Lol, good find (there are many other sites about the upgrade problems).
But this particular site is hilarious. Who is this dummy that wrote that article?
Quote from the article

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Many folks who are running Windows 10 on their computers, usually have a Linux partition installed as well. Regular folks do it, developers do it, and then the few who prefer to use Linux but are forced to use Windows.

Really? I've been a computer tech for around 23 years and used Linux for over 20 years but have never once seen a Linux partition on one of my "regular folks" computers.

astrogeek · 08-08-2016, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Slackovado

Lol, good find (there are many other sites about the upgrade problems).
But this particular site is hilarious. Who is this dummy that wrote that article?

Yea, I noticed that. But that is simply the state of what passes for tech journalism these days - nothing unusual, sad to say.

You will see the same kind of clueless, illiterate mangle-speak even on the "professional" outlets. In fact, especially on the professional media, and not just tech publishers.

Fixit7 · 08-08-2016, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Slackovado

Lol, good find (there are many other sites about the upgrade problems).
But this particular site is hilarious. Who is this dummy that wrote that article?
Quote from the article

Really? I've been a computer tech for around 23 years and used Linux for over 20 years but have never once seen a Linux partition on one of my "regular folks" computers.

It's a friggin lie.

I found no confirmed reports that stated details of Linux partitions being deleted by Windows 10.

astrogeek · 08-08-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixit7

It's a friggin lie.

I found no confirmed reports that stated details of Linux partitions being deleted by Windows 10.

Then it is a lie which seems to be affecting many people... but then it is an election year so mass delusion and madness of crowds is what passes for normalcy.

Fixit7 · 08-08-2016, 04:35 PM

Nobody I know, and I know a lot of young people, are complaining about it.

rknichols · 08-08-2016, 09:18 PM

I certainly had no problem in my laptop, which triple-boots Linux, Windows 7, and Windows 10. The W10 upgrade went without a hitch. GRUB in the MBR was undisturbed. Everything worked fine.

My Windows 10 VM under qemu-kvm was a different story. It was like pulling teeth to get that upgrade to complete, but at least it couldn't affect anything but itself.