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Old 07-22-2008, 10:19 AM   #1
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Features you'd like the distro makers to put in


Can we sticky this please?
The job of any distribution maker is to "consumerise" it, so it can be USED, by people who don't care about anything technical but just want to get their work done, so if you're a USER - what would you like to see in your Linux?
There's a long way to go as far as GUI tools for doing common things are concerned in just about all the distros, but in any case, everyone, please contribute...
 
Old 07-22-2008, 10:37 AM   #2
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I'm not too sure where you are going with this, and think you might have the wrong idea on a few things.

While some distributions aim to be as accessible as possible to the average person (I.E. Ubuntu) there are plenty of distributions that are the complete opposite. Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, etc, are all designed around the concept that the user is more than capable of figuring out the intricacies of the system, and make little to no attempt to hold the user's hand through anything.

To that end, there are many people who are against oversimplification, as the entire reason they use Linux (or anything other than Windows, for that matter) is the flexibility and control that is given to you with an open system. Everything being done through inflexible automated GUI dialogs is not what these people want.

But philosophical questions aside, the actual distribution maintainers are generally not the ones that are creating the software that makes up the distribution itself. There may be the occasional distro-specific tool written, and all the init scripts will generally be custom, but aside from that the system is made up of software developed by other groups. If you have any specific desire in terms of functionality or usability in the software collection in a particular distribution, you should take that up with the developers of that software, not the distribution maintainers (who essentially just package the software up and put it onto a disc).
 
Old 07-24-2008, 04:59 AM   #3
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OK, I'll start off with the first one - I want to be able to set the priority of a process in the GUI, possible in the menu on the left hand side of the title bar.

Also, VERY importantly, I want a GUI way to do a PPPoE connection for people who need it - WINDOWS has this, I discovered it only after a long time.

My personal choice to implement these first would be Redhat (and then Ubuntu), but lets see who goes first
 
Old 07-24-2008, 09:59 AM   #4
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There are well over a hundred distros out there, many for specialist tasks. By turning Linux into Windows (and most threads we have had on this subject are about this) you are trying to take Linux away from it's Unix base and into a new territory. Linux is already very very easy to use.

More importantly, Linux is about empowering the user. If you want this, learn to program and then implement it.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 10:29 AM   #5
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Can we sticky this please?
The job of any distribution maker is to "consumerise" it, so it can be USED, by people who don't care about anything technical but just want to get their work done...
...so you say.
Your original premise applied to all distributions is flat out wrong.
Are you saying all distributions must incorporate every GUI function requested by every user? Why would they want to do that?
If you feel so strongly about GUI tools wouldn't it be more useful to list particular tools you find useful in various distributions also, so others that were not aware of them could try them out?

Here's an interesting article for you.
The Windows Vista Disk Defragmenter has been improved over the Windows XP version, but you can’t see or use all the best features unless you run it from the command line.
 
Old 07-24-2008, 11:11 AM   #6
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My personal choice to implement these first would be Redhat (and then Ubuntu), but lets see who goes first
It appears you are new to the Linux/FOSS world. The way these things usually work is that you start a project that does something specific. After you have some code that works, others might join your project. Then when you get to a stable release, distros may start including it.

Alternatively, you could submit a feature request to Red Hat or Ubuntu or another project, and if they believe it is sufficiently important they might consider devoting some time to it.

Your opening comments indicate that you believe the only goal of Linux distros is to be a better Windows for non-technical users. As others have said, this is not really the goal. If it were, not only would Linux fail to attract many users, but there would not be more than one distro.

I'm not intending to be offensive, but your post might get a few people upset. It is also likely to not be productive because it is a wishlist rather than a do list.
 
Old 07-27-2008, 05:44 AM   #7
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Your opening comments indicate that you believe the only goal of Linux distros is to be a better Windows for non-technical users. As others have said, this is not really the goal.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ubuntu-658444/

Read the "I would dearly love to be able" part.
 
Old 07-28-2008, 02:04 AM   #8
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OK, my second request - if I add a file to a particular directory, can the view in the file browser window of that directory update automatically please?
Again - *Windows* has this.
 
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OK, my second request - if I add a file to a particular directory, can the view in the file browser window of that directory update automatically please?
You should say which file manager you're using. Konqueror already does this. If there are features you want to request, then you'd be better off contacting the developers of the relevant software projects (or implementing them yourself).

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Again - *Windows* has this.
Why don't you just use Windows then?

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Old 07-28-2008, 02:41 AM   #10
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As Nylex said - all of what you proposed so far that should be included ... is already there!
Nautilus in Gnome does the update view thing - as well as Konqueror - those are the ones I know because I use them.
Same thing for the "renice or kill/stop/whatever a process via a click in taskmanager".

You obviously just did not find it yet, though it is not hard to find. Look again!

...to adapt what you said:
*Linux* has this!

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Old 07-29-2008, 04:22 AM   #11
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Nautilus in Gnome didnt when I used it, but now I find that Rox-filer in Dynebolic does!

OK, my 3rd request: how about a hourglass when you click on an icon while a program is loading, yes, just like Windows? I have to otherwise look at the disk to see whether the light is flashing or not... It will require a lot of integration between different softwares like X and ps (since the hourglass has to go away after the program has loaded) - actually i think this is quite a difficut thjing to do.
 
Old 07-29-2008, 04:32 AM   #12
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how about a hourglass
That is just a question of what mouse-cursor theme you use. There are plenty to choose from. Not everyone likes the hourglass but you can have that if you like it.
 
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OK, my 3rd request: how about a hourglass when you click on an icon while a program is loading, yes, just like Windows?
KDE already has this (they call it "launch feedback"). Edit: GNOME does as well and I expect other environments do too.

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Old 08-01-2008, 03:31 PM   #14
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Yes, actually I found out that Dynebolic has it


OK, my next request: I want a GUI way to edit that grub.lst file so I can change what OSes boot and what order etc. (just like during install in fedora).
 
Old 08-01-2008, 04:15 PM   #15
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But windows does not have this

Any editor is good enough for me.

But there appear to be some GUIs:
http://grubconf.sourceforge.net/ is now retired - the functionality is in:
http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/
there is this:
http://www.linux.com/feature/123460
and this:
http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=75442

[edit]
took me 2 minutes using Google

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