Funny you mentioned gravity... I was just watching a TV program that was explaining why E dose not necessarily = MC2
Something that a lot of people still believe in and took on faith! ;) |
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I, like you, am the one disagreeing with him. I am not ENORBET. |
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This is one of the problems with the English language. Too many words are 'operator-overloaded'. English is not an ideal language to express philosophical concepts. That's why so many of the great works are in Greek, including the New Testament. |
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enorbet had responded to it already at #5694. |
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That's fine with me, but your statement is still just as impossible as it was before. I won't risk more rabbit trails by giving another example. All I can say is, I don't 'believe' you. |
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Best wishes.... |
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I'm not saying that if someone dug deep enough they couldn't uncover some unexamined conclusion. Nobody is perfect and some things are of more importance than others. So all I'm saying is that it is my policy to be brutally honest with myself and strip myself of unwarranted assumptions. Once set in place, such a policy affects all new experience and sets the bar so that reflection handles the past. I did this formally by age 13 but was already on that path my whole life. To me it is like declaring oneself an "honest person". Does this mean you've never told a single lie in your entire life? even to real or imagined enemies? That seems functionally impossible. What is possible, and in my mind desirable, is to develop a policy that simply recognizes that the Truth is almost always better, that lies tend to spin out of control, destroy relationships, and in general, create avoidable havoc, simply by being truthful, even when it hurts. In other words, offer up honesty until it is discovered some individual will use it as a weapon against you and at least with that person, just shut up and say nothing (or if important enough, stand and fight). It beats lying by a mile. That. to me, is an honest man, not hypothetically, but a functionally honest man. It's interactive and linked to Trust, which is given by default until something shows it has not been earned and must possibly be rescinded. It is difficult to know what comes across from mere text but I hope this clears it up at least a little bit. |
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Put another way, bluntly: I think you are afraid of such terms as 'belief' and 'faith', so you rationalize them away. You are afraid of them because, by applying them to yourself, you are admitting that your human nature is not superior nor different than that of others - especially those who hold religious beliefs. Somehow you think you are 'above that'. Why else would you object so strongly to such common terms? I don't expect you (or any other atheist) to seriously examine yourself to see if this is true, or to admit to such a thing publicly. That's between you and your...well..you. But every atheist I have ever known has exhibited far more 'faith' than I could ever muster, believing in scientific 'truths' that are far more bizarre than anything I, myself, consider rational, reasonable, or plausible. That is, of course, entirely up to you - but at least call it 'faith' in your sources, and not knowledge. So, we can leave it here, and agree to disagree. Up to you. In any case, best wishes, sincerely. |
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It's not faith but educated guesses, vastly superior.
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At some scales it becomes meaningless to us because we don't yet understand the full nature of Gravity. The concept of Quantum Gravity is in it's infancy and it is much more difficult to make progress because our intuition from living our lives "up here" simply does not apply "down there" and instruments capable of dealing with such tiny scales are far more complicated to even conceive let alone produce. FWIW in February of 2016 the completion of testing on the reliability of data gathered in the previous September by LIGO proved a prediction that Einstein made almost 100 years ago was dead on accurate when gravity waves were detected for the first time coming from 2 black holes that spiralled in and merged, even including the "ringing", a kind of resonant bounce, that did in fact occur. If you have interest look here LIGO Detects Gravity Waves Anyway it is most important to understand that not only is faith not required in science, it is anathema. |
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Do you really think those who have 'faith' haven't done just as much research, and have made just as educated a 'guess'? No, I doubt you do. You just like throwing arrows in the middle of conversations, judging by the collective sum of your posts. |
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I assure you I am not afraid of any words and certainly not "belief" and "faith". They are just pitfalls to be avoided, and a tradeoff at that. I object strongly because it has taken a lifetime of hard work to get here and if I am to suffer the consequences I want the just desserts as well. I prefer to stand or fall upon my own merits and limitations than to squeeze by in a disguise. You interpret the confidence that the scientifically minded have in Science as Faith simply because that's what you know. It's your frame of reference. You have little or no understanding of the scientific process just as I will never understand religious exhilaration. And yes, my Best Wishes to you was completely sincere. |
You may say Tinkerbell can't fly just because you have faith but it's the same thing...
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