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I am in full agreement with Veith's views expressed in the vast wealth of information he has made available, particularly WRT diet, the Papacy, and particularly the surviving ancient Biblical texts vis-a-vis Biblical translations published after around 1844. Modern translations are missing crucial language in many places. The KJV no doubt has flaws, but missing language isn't one of them. Quote:
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A common statement he makes at or near presentation closing, as well as variously interspersed earlier: "It's your choice to make [how to interpret/whether to believe]. You must choose one or the other." |
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That said, of course I would "bother to respond" to you. We are all in this together and you've not given me cause to simply ignore you. I am an atheist, but that doesn't imply I'm mean, aloof, or don't view all humans, including you mrmazda, as brethren. Quote:
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I don't even have to insist that some Divine Creator did not reveal the concepts in scripture, only that they were written down by MEN, and whether willfully or simply due to ignorance, the text is very obviously an interpretation at best, and utterly contradictory, false and immoral in hindsight, totally reflecting Bronze Age human views on Nature and the nature of men. KoolAid. Quote:
If you need to continue to deny progress in human knowledge and subvert the dictionary meaning of scientific evidence, so be it. I stand firmly against teaching pseudoscience in schools alongside actual Science let alone the utter abomination of making it Law. |
I'm seeing text posts and video podcasts "prophesying" apocalyptic Universal End Times if not the "Second Coming" because of today's Total Eclipse of the Sun some even mentioning the names of cities it will pass over such as Ninevah and Rapture. I think it passes over Intercourse, Pennsylvania too but nobody mentions that ;) I suppose that might make some sense to those who insist upon literal and infallible translation of Christian Scripture, and maybe I've just been away from it for too long but I am a bit puzzled by the perceived significance of the number 7. I either wasn't aware or had forgotten that Christian Scripture flirted with Numerology. Anyone here know about this?
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Most Biblical prophesies have already come to pass, with much corroborated by extra-Biblical writings and archaeology. Right now we're watching one of its last ones play out - Israel and its special significance in the middle east: Aliyah; the Balfour Declaration in 1917; its declaration of independence in 1948; (especially) the six day war in 1967; the Yom Kippur war in 1973; and since then, too many battles to keep track of, all the more recent expected based upon the prophecy of Genesis 16:11-12: Quote:
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I found long ago that irreducible complexity is one concept that for me is sufficient on its own to defend intelligent design, regardless what some underqualified lawyer(s?) failed to "prove" to a court a century ago as a justification for similar deleterious judicial findings since then. Sometimes evidence takes only logic or mathematical probability to recognize or understand. Clearly, different eyes affect the way many evidences are interpreted, if relevant at all. To at all understand why I have faith in Veith's competence, one may need to listen to more than a few sentences with little or no context, or to the opinions of others with an opposite agenda[1]. These two videos include Veith explaining how modern genetics supports Darwin's evolution of life as being utter nonsense, with a lot of context. The Genes Of Genesis - The Whole Truth (Part 5) (58min)Title material begins around 6 minutes in, after the dialog with his archaeologist friend Francois. The Genesis Conflict: The Genes of Genesis (84min) The first is a repackaging of portions of the the latter and comes from Veith's Clash of Mind project, formerly ADTV Africa. The latter AFAIK first showed up via ADTV Canada. [1] Also, I like listening to him. His presentational demeanor is soothing most of the time, particularly in his more recent material. |
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As for the rest you commonly quote people from The Discovery Institute that were proven in a court of Law to Lie Under Oath! How can you live with that? Irreducible Complexity is entirely and objectively fallacious but no doubt you will continue to see it as Irrefutable Truth until the day you die because once again, Deus Ex Machina. There is a reason that term is used as a Plot Device to wiggle out of an untenable plot development. |
@enorbet: When someone already knows what “the Truth” is, he will choose “evidence” that “proves” his position. And you can’t argue with them.
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I don't think the Christians were particularly worried about their enemies "getting it". Remember they wanted to be martyred. It was their ticket to heaven. |
Many of these things are, of course, "very educated speculation." It is of course impossible now to "know."
But we do know from other extant examples (and there are actually "many"), that so-called "apocalyptic literature" did appear to contain what might well be "coded messages." You see – when someone else was kicking your nation's butt, and you were suffering grievously at their brutal hand, "literature" which talked about God swooping down from heaven to "kick their butt(!)" was of course extremely popular. We have many surviving examples of this kind of [political?] writing. However, if you were known to be the writer of any such thing and you made any direct reference to "the Powers who were to be kicked," your life would of course become extremely short. (And your intended readers might be justifiably fearful to be identified with you, if a copy were to be discovered by some soldier.) Regardless of meaning: The reference to "666" in The Revelation of Saint John is, even on its face, "strangely curious." It doesn't even seem to belong there. It stands out. Yet, the very fact that it does "stand out" immediately suggests (at least, to me and others) that it is very likely "a cipher." Which the intended readers undoubtedly knew how to decode. I'll now leave it to others to decide what it actually meant. (Likewise other oddities, such as referring to an antagonist as "The Beast." I can't recall any other bad-guy being referenced by that name in this anthology.) The entire "second half" of this book spins into an amazing series of abstractions which are actually quite distinctive to it. Most authors didn't bother. |
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