You have not gathered much then. There are some very talented programmers on the fora here at LQ. And there are plenty of discussions about "IPC Mechanism" including pipes, sockets and shared memory methods.

I'm sure if you go to the "Programming" forum and ask about C/C++ or IPC or whatever, you will find plenty of capable programmers.

@Darth Vader

personally I have given up on gnome and kde at least for the next few years. untll all the dust settles with Wayland and now systemd also. I think QT as a toolkit has a long life and will remain viable. GTK is not portable even glib is not really portable now.

I would love to see some new projects start for a minimal wayland desktop. even if they had to build it on top of weston. weston it self is clean. the launcher could probably be rewritten with no dependencies in a day or two. I have seen some people moving in that direction but nothing at the project level yet.

you can check this out if you have not seen it yet. standalone compositor and tiling window manager that is being worked on.

https://github.com/michaelforney/velox

Well, Kay Seivers has a history of run-ins with Linus since 2005. First with udev stuff and now with systemd. Poettering just continued the way he saw Sievers does.

It would be strange if he had. He's kind of a mentor for both Sievers and Poettering. First mention of Sievers you can find on the net is 2003 in some udev documentation. Greg K.H. worked for the IBM at that moment, but transfered to Suse soon enough. There he mentored both of them. And that also explains his over-protective attitude towards Sievers and Poettering. He doesn't have a necessary emotional distance to criticize their work or accept any 3rd party criticism.

Im sure there are. I will take a look but am not going to get into c/c++ in this thread. the place for c/c++ is in those forums. hopfully with a different tone.

Well, I have to correct my post above. I can't say for sure what relation there was between Greg K.H., Sievers and Poettering (I just assumed it was a mentorship). But I can say this: Sievers' name is in the credits of a very early version of udev (which is Greg's brainchild). Soon after that Greg transfered to Suse where he had a chance to work (and possible did) with Sievers and later Poettering. It's also pretty noticable he's overprotective towards the duo.

There. Now I am factualy correct. :)

I think you generally missed the point of my post.

since you seem to know so much, please enlighten us and explain how a proper IPC mechanism that has also to be available at early boot should look like.
even if not everyone here is a c/c++ developer I am sure that if you understand the problem well enough you will be able to explain it in a way that everyone with some basic technical understanding is able to follow you.
(and please do not forget what you have written earlier, the thing with the monolithic, registry like, please feel free to include this in you explanation)
thanks in advance!

It had a point? :)

Joking aside... You were trying to show kernel developers don't have much against systemd which is both correct and incorrect. Most devs were pretty cautious while talking about systemd. Linus too. Because it's more of a political question than a technical one.

My post had a point too. :) Greg is likely to react emotionaly to questions pertaining to udev and systemd. For various reasons. And Linus doesn't care much about init or desktop environment. He likes to change and try stuff. Systemd doesn't concern him if the developers behave and don't try to break userspace APIs. But they do. Often.

when you decide to start your new thread on the benifits of systemd architecture lay out your detailed explination and defence from boot handoff to cgroup managment and the other must have components I will perhaps look it over and leave snarky comments /sarcasm.

untill then please continue to ROFL it is very enligtening.

ok, I can respect that you are not able to understand the question I asked.
(its also possible that you have some kine of ADD, in this case my apologize)

Him, or anyone, having ADD, ADHD, whatever, is beside the point and totally off topic, if not directly character attacking. No one cares who has what mental quirk. I have good reason to believe we have people with ADHD, ADD, Aspergers, etc. in this community who are contributors, so trying to belittle anyone over something trival is unwarranted nor acceptible. We don't ask or assume who has what. If you feel having any of these is problematic, please by all means keep it to yourself.

You yourself never answered questions on of the benefits of systemd when you were asked about it, so your room to talk is very small about anyone not answering your questions. You tried to sidestep, got caught, so when you answer questions, maybe we'll answer yours.

could you please show me the questions that I did not answer, maybe I have overseen it.

Pot, kettle, black?

Eric

ac/dc ftw!

It's supposed to be a nightmare. ;)