Yeah, I am sure coz I needed to install a gtk app that had some dependency on a gnome package and the packages listed from Slack 10.1 and current were from 2.6.

I don't like Gnome, I don't use Gnome, and dropping
Slack for the sake of a sucky DE is definitely not an
option :) ... Gnome (before I'd even remotely consider
using it) need to get their act together, having some
sort of supervising functionality over the individual
components (along the lines of how KDE is being
managed [no, I don't use KDE either]). I've run into
stupid dependency-traps with Gnome since 1.3 so
often that I just don't want to have to deal with it
anymore... and I CAN'T wait to see it gone and free
up valuable space ;)


Cheers,
Tink

I've switched to debian for a while on my box which does graphical things.. and I'm not coming back until some decent alternatives exist.. meaning, not a third-party attempt that undermines some of the intentions of the maintainer of the distro... and by that I am referring to dropline. something that leaves it as slackware+GNOME, not as slackware+BLAHDYBLADYBLADH(featuring GNOME)
some projects have been popping up.. none, in my opinion, good enough to be worth installing.
also note that I didn't switch to debian because of all this. I had intended on gaining some real experience with it for a long time.

It will all depend on the quality of the third party packages available. If Gware can put together a good set of packages, I'll probably use those. If not, I'm not sure. I might try another distro (Arch might well be the first place I'd look), but I can't see myself getting along with any other distros: I've gotten too fond of the Slackware way and anything else would probably get on my nerves these days. I might try compiling from source, but while I'm happy to compile small things myself, something on the scale of GNOME (especially something so notoriously temperamental that Pat felt it necessary to drop it) mght be more than I have the patience for. I certainly wouldn't use Dropline; anything that arbitrarily replaces half of my system, including things nothing to do with GNOME, has no place on my Slackware box.

Which leaves the option of using a different WM, which sees like the best option to me. Maybe I'll give Enlightenment or Fluxbox another go. Or perhaps I'll just put up with KDE's little quirks and learn to love it.

I had being using gnome for sometime. But since gnome start acting up on root account, I have switched to fluxbox.

Tried gsb-2.10.0 testing, don't like it. Slow.....

if fluxbox gets pulled, I guess it would just be CLI only. :)

Don't you have something other to do than trash talk things you know nothing about? Like, perhaps, wrestle with dselect?

Wait, you're actually complaining about a developmental release of Gnome from that many years ago?

Simple Solutions:

If you really love Gnome that much, use another distro.
If you really love Slackware that much, use KDE instead.

Mind you, I use neither Slackware nor Gnome. ;)

No. Fedora Core 3 was releashed in November 8 2004 and included Gnome 2.8. Now gnome has already reached version 2.10. I don't think that since slackware 10, there is any update in gnome. My guess is that the only reason gnome is still in slackware 10.1 is that x.1 versions are just updates and no dramaticall changes are made. In slackware current mozilla and netscape are already removed and firefox and thunderbird are added. I'm just wondering what is Pat going to do with the 85MB of free space in the second cd if drops gnome? Is he going to move some of the /extra stuff there? The /extra without the source is about 90MB i think. I don't see the reason keeping gnome there, since he is not willing to maintain it any more.

Please do try Arch. Slackware doesn't need yet more users who make important technical decisions about things they don't have a clue about. That's why the world has Gentoo. Pat did not drop Gnome because it was "tempermental". Pat stopped updating Gnome because it is incredibly time-consuming for one person to try to maintain by themselves--he has said this many times and in many places in the recent past. This also happens to be the reason the former maintainer of Dropline bowed out. He has now been replaced by about a dozen guys who are cracking problems practically around the clock.

...and for the record, you and a bunch of the other little punters here should probably go read The Frequently Unasked Questions page on the Dropline Wiki before you continue your little tirades about things you don't understand.

http://dlgwiki.dot42.org/index.php/F...ed%20Questions

...and if it seems like I'm a little bitchy it's because I've spent a great number of hours recently painstakingly troubleshooting software that will be running on Slackware soon, but my problems can be solved with a mere eight hours of sleep. I think some of the problems I've seen here are going to take a lot longer than that to work out. You people should be ashamed.

If it were arbitrary, users certainly wouldn't have the option to choose whether or not it gets installed.

Regardless, Dropline GNOME 2.10 will focus less on supporting multiple versions of Slackware, and will instead be built for only Slackware 10.1. This means that there will be fewer included packages that "arbitrarily" replace those that Pat places in a default install (this means that it will not be backwards compatible with Slackware 10.0, but this is what people like you have asked for).

I think that many people will find (by looking at other GNOME for Slackware projects that are popping up) that it's not as easy as just including the packages that are listed on GNOME's site. The GNOME framework is heavily dependent upon things that don't always fit in with the "Slackware way"; But by your post, I'm sure you have a good grasp on what that is.


Zach

It seems like you're a LOT bitchy. Go to sleep. If you had the sense to have the knowledge implicit in that last paragraph, you should have had the sense not to post the rest of that crap in the first place. If someone fails to recognize the splendors of your magnificent Gnome, that's their option. 3 posts and 3 flames. Way to win friends and influence people. I'm sure that convinced them.

Some people don't like Gnome and some people particularly don't like dropline. Get over it.

I am fscking SICK of seeing people flaming other people over their fscking software opinions. It's one thing to say 'I don't frigging like a piece of software' and another thing to say 'I don't frigging like you people and I think I'll insult you for the crime of not agreeing with my viewpoint'. THAT's when I turn around and get pissed. People can like or dislike all the fscking software they want.

Personally i've already switched to ubuntu *shrugs*.

It's just not the distro I'm looking for anymore. And dropline should not be an option, it's awful.

If you don't like Dropline or any of the other GNOME builds for Slackware, then compile it yourself. Like I said earlier, it could be tedious, but worth it in the end if you are a great GNOME fan.

What are you talking about? What 'important technical decisions' do you think I am making, besides what software I run on my own computer, a computer that serves no purpose but to amuse me?

Perhaps temperamental was the wrong word. As I understand it, GNOME is awkward and ideosyncratic to build, and therefore takes a lot of work to maintain. This, from what I have been able to ascertain, is the reason Pat has given for considering dropping it, and is why I am hesitant to try to compile it myself. KDE, for example, is no smaller a project, but its tidy packages and clean and simple build process make it far less troublesome to maintain.

I never said there weren't good reasons why Dropline's installer behaves as it does. I'm sure there are perfectly good reasons for all aspects of it, and the fact that many people use and like it would seem to validate the decisions the Dropline team have made. I respect the work they put into it and the product they put out. However, that does not mean that Dropline GNOME is to my personal taste, or that I have to want it on my machine.

Please stop ranting and go to bed.