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Newbie and I'm lost...
I have downloaded Ubuntu 5.10 and I want to install it as my operating system. I don't want to run it from a CD.
Can I do this? I also downloaded SLAX, because I thought I could install it on my hd, but I found that I can't. I have a spare 10gb hd that I want to put some easy form of Linux on it that I can learn from. I need a little guidance..... Thanks;) |
Just do the same thing as you would install Windows.
Configure your BIOS to use the cd-rom as first boot device. |
Re: Newbie and I'm lost...
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http://www.slackware.com/ |
Merc,
I have my bios set to boot from CD-ROM. Didin't work. Maybe I didn't get the correct files when I downloaded Ubuntu. I'll try again on another site this time and see. Baja, I'll give Slackware a try.. Thanks guys.... |
Is the CD-ROM burned as bootable?
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Is there a special bootdisk that I might need to fdisk the drive or can I use a Windows bootdisk?
This might be my problem..... |
Did you just download the Live CD? The Live CD just runs off of the CD.
You may need the Install CD if you want to install it. |
I burned it as an ISO. Thought that was what I was supposed to do..... guess not, huh.....DOH.
Back to the drawing board..... |
I have both the "install" and the "Live" versions of Ubuntu 5.10
and I burned them as an ISO, not a bootable cd. Learn something new everyday..... I'll get the hang of this sooner or later..... |
Download the PC (Intel x86) install CD and burn it as an ISO.
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I'm not trying to be funny BajaNick, but I wouldn't recommend Slack to someone who is struggling to install Ubuntu. Slack is a great distro, but it just isn't one I'd recommend to newbies until they have a firmer grasp at least of the basics of Linux - from my experience many newcomers to Linux have given up on it completely simply because they were given the illusion that Linux in general is hard to use due to the Slack installer, thanks to someone from the Slackware Advocacy group insisting on using that a first distro.
TweakerXP: If you're having problems creating an Ubuntu install CD you can order one (or several) free-of-charge from Canonical itself. It takes a while, but it certainly looks nicer. Which burning program are you using anyhow? |
Thanks to everyone for being patient with this. I can see how people who are new to Linux DO give up on it.
I'm using Nero 6 Ultra. Happy Thanksgiving !!! |
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Don't know about this, since I just tried a Ubuntu live CD, but how much ressources does it require compared to Slackware? |
My system....
AMD 1600 (1.4gHz) 512 OCZ PC2700 Leadtech Ti200 128mb video SBLive 5.1 sound LiteOn CD/RW Plextor CD/RW RealteK Nic MS mouse and keyboard 10GB hd is a spare drive I have laying around. Hope that helps..... |
Which files do I need? I not sure. Here is the link that I'm using, is it the correct one?
Thanks http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux...ons/slackware/ When I open up the ISO 10.2 file there are some files with the extension... asc and md5 ?????:confused: Which ones are what I need? |
As others have pointed out, you really should give ubuntu a try.
Slackware might be too hard for you. |
Is this a "Live CD" ? I want something to install on my hd.
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I just ordered the Ubuntu 5.10 cd's. So I know I'll get the correct cd's.
Thanks for the help and patients with me on this. One day I'll be able to help someone else. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving |
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You can try the distro chooser. It's not perfect but might give you a clue which distro(s) are best suited for you: http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ |
The md5 file is something you want to check once you have downloaded the file. It contains a number that is calculated agains the .iso file in the server. Once you doanload the .iso, you run a program (I don't know, but Nero should do it) to calculate the number of what you downloaded. If the numbers coincide, then you can assume that the download was successful (wasn't corrupted). Most of the time that will be the case, but if it is not, then you have to download the .iso file again.
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Jamy,
I have a bunch of coaster now. That's why I ordered the CD's... TURKEY TIME !!! LET'S EAT!! Later guys...... |
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I also do not check the md5 number very often :( but use CD-RWs so I'm safe if something goes wrong... ;) |
Happy Thanksgiving. :)
I don't think you're going to go far wrong with Ubuntu. I decided to install it on my wife's laptop in parallel to WinXP to see how it works. (I'm a Debian user.) It worked great, both the live and installation versions. Automatic hardware detection, Internet, etc. Haven't done all that much with it yet though, since it's not my machine. Here are some instructions on how to burn using Nero in Windows, from their wiki: http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/...html#id2455487 In Nero you want to use "Burn Image" and choose use ISO; look in the documentation for ISO 9660 if you have trouble. You can cross-reference the Debian instructions for burning an ISO in Nero if that helps: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows I'm sure you can have Ubuntu installed before the CDs arrive. ;) Here is their guide (for 5.04 but most of it applies to 5.10): http://ubuntuguide.org/ Linux is mostly about reading comprehension. Start off with a distro like Ubuntu that makes a lot of decisions for you, and then move on to systems with more flexibility like Slack, Debian, et al. if you like. Don't let anybody tell you what distro you need to use. I played around at Linux for about 2-3 years before really deciding to dig in because it was so demanding. If I'd had something like Ubuntu then, it would've been great. |
Lots of good points made. When I started off with Redhat and Mandrake I had a very hard time getting to understand how things worked in Linux but when I tried Slack things were much easier to pickup. Of course its a matter of how an individual sees things.
Like others have suggested, give a few distros a try then move over to slack and completely forget about all those other distros, they dont even exist........ SLACK! SLACK! SLACK!............:D |
Ok I have the 4 iso's of Slackware. I have tried to make a bootdisk using Nero to no avail.
I tried data disk, bootable disk, regular burn. No go. Does it matter that I have the hd fdisked with a windows 98 bootdisk? Could that be the problem here? |
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regular burn , I mean I just selected the file and hit burn.
No other options. Ok I'll try it again...... I'll get the hang of this yet.... or run out of disk. Need some coasters for Christmas? |
WOOOHOOOO !!!! IT worked !!!! YEAH BABY!!!!!
Now I got to figure out this partition thing. I have the hd partition with a win98 bootdisk. Installation asked about the large cyclinders are too big, instead should be 1024? Now I'm at the "command (m for help)" prompt I have a list of options and don't really know which way to go from here. |
search for the partition-HOWTO with google... it's a really nice guide to partitioning in linux
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You could start for example with the following, assuming the 10 GB disk you mentioned:
/ 5,5 GB /home 1,5 GB /tmp 1,5 GB /var 1 GB swap 500 MB You just have to create the partitions with cfdisk (or fdisk, but cfdisk is preferred) and save the changes. After that you have to type "setup" (you will be given the instruction to do this on the screen). In the setup process you will be asked what partitions to use, point here to the newly generated partitions and decide to format it with reiserfs or ext3. If you don't know which partition to point to during setup look in the partitioning HOWTO. Here you will get good info on Linux' partitioning scheme. |
I have a warning on my screen....
invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by (w)rite. I'm stuck at the command prompt. I found a site that has pretty good step by step instructions, but I don't think my hd is partition correctly. http://www.bitbenderforums.com/vb22/...?postid=311808 I'm on the third black screenshot and that is as far as I have got. When I select "P" option, I get no numbers for the device boot, start, end, etc.... This is too confusing...... Sorry guys to be such a pain in the butt..... |
don't know what happened the system just jumped to a screen where I have set the partitions on the hd. I set the primary to 5gb and the logical to 5gb. System just asked to write the partitions and I said yes to both, primary and logical.
Now system asked to reboot.....this is SOME strange stuff, linux. WHOA... system just ran through a ton of stuff so fast that I could not even read it. Now I'm back at root@slcakware:/# ...........now what?? I'll keep pluggin along here..... |
Type "setup", chose your keyboard layout and be sure to have written down the partitions you created (you should know how it is called, for example hdb1, hdb6?). Do a full install, be sure to write lilo to master boot record and/or to create a boot floppy. After reboot do a xorgconfig as root, be sure to know what graphic card you have installed. Search for "scroll mouse" in Slackware forum to get a scroll mouse working. Create a normal user with "adduser", log out from root account, log in as the newly created user, type "startx" and pray that I haven't forgotten anything :D
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Ok got all the way to installing network card. System even asked for Installation disk. Then system asked to reboot and I did now I'm think I'm back to the very start of things.....???
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Thank you all for helping me try to get this up and running.
I'm tossing the towel. It's just too complicated for me.:( Thanks |
Don't give up! You can do this! Just take it a step at a time.
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http://www.slackware.com/install/
Dude if you throw in the towel that will be a very bad thing. Slackware is tough, but it rules! |
Nice going tweakerxp - you made progress: more than I did with RH7.2 way back and RH was supposed to be a newbie-friendly distro. I seem to recall that it had some kind of CD-ROM drive problem which didn't load a required module!! Yikes :)
Anyway, if the distribution is installed correctly and the drives are partitioned correctly (a previous poster suggested a partition table, but a far simpler one for starting out is: SWAP = 2 x RAM up to a Gb, / = 4Gb /home = rest), once you reboot you'll be facing a virgin system and will be expected to login. Again, if your system is correctly installed, you only have one option really: type root at the prompt and whatever password you entered during the system installation. This will make you master of the computer's universe and it is here that you would ordinarily create a new user who is your everyday account. The easiest way to do this is once you've logged in as root, simply enter startx at the prompt. This should default you to KDE. Then go to the menu ('K' on the panel) and under system (I'm going on memory now because I use Xfce) select user-manager, and create a user for yourself. Now when you reboot or login again - login as this user and enter startx at the prompt to bring up KDE. In which case, well done!!! You've arrived. The devil is in the detail however. After this point, you will still have to configure your system - a Windows machine will automatically configure a system for you which sounds nice, but actually does lead to a whole host of significant problems down the line. The GNU/Linux way requires you to configure the system settings: this is tough on a new user who may just want to plug-in and go. At the risk of sounding elitist, this underscores some of the most different aspects of the Windows and the GNU/Linux worlds is that the former is more like an entertainment centre with a computer attached, whereas the latter is firstly a computer that you configure to do what you want it to do, because a computer is first and foremost a tool. Mostly I'd suggest you set it up as a workstation for general purpose, so it'll be a compromise between ease of use and convenience on one hand and security and robustness on the other. This requires you to undertake some tasks that might not initially seem obvious to you: 1. lock down and configure your system - there are some excellent guides for you, and even one on this site, prepared by Shilo which is Slackare specific and easy to follow for a quick step through getting a functioning system that is stable and responsive. 2. become acquainted with the console and using the command line. At first, coming from a Windows environment typing at a text window seems counter-intuitive to speed and efficiency, however once you start to use it, you will find that using a mouse to point-and-click is not the most efficient way of doing things, and that it sacrifices efficiency and power for visual convenience. 3. when in Rome ... . Be willing and prepared to experience the differences involved in using a different computing environment. This isn't Windows, and while you will undoubtedly make comparisons between the two, and no doubt you will find yourself preferring Windows for a time, experiment with GNU/Linux, don't take it too seriously, but play around with it, try learning bash (the language your shell/terminal uses) which is a powerful programming language in itself. If you are into languages, GNU/Linux comes innately loaded with most programming languages and you will be able to install some cool IDEs for programming and web development. There are also a great range of games, productivity suites, utilities, browsers, email clients, and so on. At first the range of options and the strange sounding names can be a bit daunting, but try different applications until you come across the ones you like most to do the job. You will encounter difficulties with installation and use of new programs, because an icon generally isn't automatically added. If you use KDE there is a menu updating tool to load new apps onto the menus. To install programs generally you will face one major hurdle which is library dependency. If you default to adding Slackware-specific packages, generally speaking you should be okay. The range and extent of user choice given to users of GNU/Linux can also be a cause of its problems - there is no homogenised benchmark machine like there is in Windows. However, it is because of the homogenised configuration of a Windows box that in part makes it so vulnerable to malicious software. However, a Slackware package from http://www.linuxpackages.net will load into your system quite easily, and if it requires any dependent libraries that should be quite easy to pick up by using a google.com/linux search. Slackware doesn't have any of the bells and whistles and automations that some other distros come with, so hence some people here were recommending that you continue with Ubuntu. Ubuntu, Mandriva, and some others will come with more automatic configuration scripts, although Ubuntu has a pre-selected application list. If you want to let the software do most of the work for you, then you may want to consider something like Mandriva or OpenSUSE - check out http://www.distrowatch.com for comparisons. But as a Slackware user I confess my bias - you've picked a great system, and it's great because it is minimalist and gives you a robust base upon which you can build. Subscribe to the user group lists, lurk on the forums here for the distro, and enjoy the learning curve. Set tasks for yourself: keep your Windows box for everyday work in, but use Slackware for all Internet activity which is not mission-critical; see how that goes. Begin to play around with OpenOffice.org as an alternative to MS Office and gradually expand your comfort zone with GNU/Linux. You'll soon get the hang of how to be productive and confident in using GNU/Linux, but as with everything else, it is all a matter of practice and exposure. Good luck. |
ill give u step by step instructions on installing Ubuntu
1) Download the Ubuntu "install" disk. Make sure it is the x86 version 2) Open Nero and select "burn ISO image" 3) set your BIOS to boot from disk 4) Insert the Ubuntu install disk and follow the instructions 5) reboot and you will have a new ubuntu system! i think the reason your CD was not booting was because you had burned the iso file onto the dvd. if you open the cd in windows and see only 1 file you have done it wrong DO NOT TRY SLACKWARE. slackware is not a distro for newbies. here is a list of newbie friendly disto's 1) Mandriva 2) SuSE 3) MEIPS 4) Ubuntu 5) Linspire (if your willing to pay $100!) |
Ok ... I got mad and took a few minutes off to cool down. Then Installed Ubuntu. SWEET what a pleasure it was. Ubuntu found everything in my system. Installation went quick and SIMPLE. I understood everything Ubuntu asked me to do.
This is the way I thought Linux should be. I'm going to agree with Jack, Slackware should NOT be recommended for newbies like me. You don't need anything complicated for the first time. I think that is why more people don't try Linux. This was a great experience for me. I'm going to continue to use Ubuntu for a while and who knows I just might be a penguin head someday! Thanks to all !! Y'all have been a great help. |
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I felt the same way during my first, let's say 50 installs, but I kept coming back to get some more slackware. |
Glad to see you go for Ubuntu. :)
As I mentioned, stick with Ubuntu for a while and get used to using Linux. As time goes on you'll get curious about other distributions again and again. The great thing is that you can try many different distributions for free. As you learn and gain confidence, you may find yourself making a more difficult but also rewarding move to a new distribution. Don't forget: http://ubuntuguide.org/ Enjoy! |
Welcome back tweakerxp :)
Irrespective of whether you chose Ubuntu, Slackware or Debian, the important thing is that (a) you have a choice and (b) it is all still GNU/Linux. Personally, that's one of the things that always brings a smile to my face - the fact there is so much choice. When one uses Windows, it is very easy to think that computing begins and ends with Microsoft, that there is no choice, and then - there is even less choice in that some development team in Redmond has decided what it is that should be in my operating system. So, you've had your first experience with the range of choices that will confront you as a GNU/Linux user - it comes in any colour and any flavour you like, and can be endlessly configured to suit your purposes!!! Now - buckle your seat belt because your trip is about to start: have a ball because now, for the first time ever your computer is truly yours. You have prised it from the grip of Microsoft, and now it is a brand new opportunity for you to discover your machine in a way that has hitherto not been possible. Enjoy!!! :D |
Thanks ... I'll have to admit it's kinda fun! I've been playing around with some of the settings, Firefox and stuff. Things ARE alot different than in Windows. So I have to look for settings and stuff that I want to change or adjust.
If I start to wobble when I walk is that a bad sign???<G> |
Well done.
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hey i am a newibe and have tryied to insrtall ubuntu and slack 10.2...
ubuntu, preaty installer , looks easy; diddnt work slack 10.2, simple graphical installer looked logical but not exactly easy, took a while but worked first time... i know which i would use again! |
Well done tweaker. I think this is a lesson well learned. Linux is something worth learning in depth, but it doesn't mean that you have to jump in the deep end to do so. Everyone has their fave distros - I'm quite fond of Slack, Ubuntu and SuSE myself, and if someone asks me what I'd recommend, I'd always offer up Ubuntu. That's not to say that I'd go pushing any one distro on people like certain contributors to this thread.
The obsession of some of these Slack advocates is beyond belief, really. |
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