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hajthem 06-30-2017 06:00 PM
why so many people hate systemd?
 
why so many people hate systemd?

frankbell 06-30-2017 06:28 PM
There are many threads about SystemD here at LQ. You might consider using the LQ search to find them. You'll probably find more about SystemD-hate and -love than you want to know.:)

Here's one that's currently active: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ta-4175608516/

JJJCR 07-03-2017 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by hajthem (Post 5729326)
why so many people hate systemd?
It could be that when they use it, they were not sure of the settings and everything fails. And from that time on, the hatred for systemd has sprouted.

Fat_Elvis 07-17-2017 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5729988)
It could be that when they use it, they were not sure of the settings and everything fails. And from that time on, the hatred for systemd has sprouted.
True for developers. There were a few complaints about the quality of their work in the LKML.

For the rest of the GNU/Linux ecosystem the issue is a philosophical one. If Linux is a replacement for MacOS, Windows, or proprietary Unix for you, then you might not care as long as it works without issue. For those who care about Linux mainly because of the freedom it offers to configure your system as you see fit, to install or uninstall any piece of software, to have absolute control over every little piece of it, this is a very serious problem.

For me, personally, I refuse to be *told* what to do with my own computer. Granted, we are not there yet, but we are uncomfortably close. I would imagine many similar minded people exist within our community.

Doug G 07-18-2017 05:58 PM
Just like with all tech-related "religious" wars, people hate systemd because if they didn't hate it, there wouldn't have a good excuse to make useless posts in internet forums.

Fat_Elvis 07-19-2017 03:14 AM
Out of curiosity; do you disagree that artificial limits are being imposed on the Linux ecosystem?

ChuangTzu 07-19-2017 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat_Elvis (Post 5736987)
Out of curiosity; do you disagree that artificial limits are being imposed on the Linux ecosystem?
Isn't that a new thread?

Sefyir 07-19-2017 04:35 PM
Remove systemd and it will gut your system.
Somewhat more relevant then any vi / emacs war.
I'd be fine with systemd if it didn't decimate my system if I want / need to use another init system.

Code:
The following packages will be REMOVED
  aptdaemon blueberry brasero caja caja-folder-color-switcher cinnamon colord
  gnome-bluetooth gnome-disk-utility gnome-settings-daemon gnome-system-log
  gnome-system-tools gvfs:i386 gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse
  ia32-libs libcanberra-pulse libhal1-flash libpam-systemd mate-applets
  mate-control-center mate-indicator-applet mate-panel mate-polkit
  mate-power-manager mate-settings-daemon mint-meta-cinnamon mint-meta-codecs
  mint-meta-codecs-core mint-meta-core mint-meta-mate mintstick nemo
  nemo-emblems nemo-fileroller nemo-folder-color-switcher nemo-preview
  nemo-share network-manager network-manager-gnome nvidia-settings paprefs
  plasma-workspace policykit-1 policykit-1-gnome pulseaudio
  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-x11
  pulseaudio-module-zeroconf rfkill screen-resolution-extra sessioninstaller
  systemd systemd-sysv ubuntu-system-service udisks2

Fat_Elvis 07-20-2017 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu (Post 5737314)
Isn't that a new thread?
Is it, now?

Xeratul 07-20-2017 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hajthem (Post 5729326)
why so many people hate systemd?
what a question ;) ... because it is imposed. no choice. no freedom.

ChuangTzu 07-20-2017 02:31 PM
just one more reason, even Linus no longer trusts it.....

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...se-4175610133/

Xeratul 07-21-2017 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu (Post 5737737)
just one more reason, even Linus no longer trusts it.....

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...se-4175610133/
I does not matter much about it, anyhow, systemd is there and it means how bad has become programming today in Linux. This is a good reason to have *BSD systems.

miqrojamie 07-21-2017 01:14 AM
Doesn't it have vulnerabilities? I saw a thread here linking to a YT video about systemd vulnerabilities, and that could also be another reason why so many people hate it.

Xeratul 07-21-2017 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by miqrojamie (Post 5737941)
Doesn't it have vulnerabilities? I saw a thread here linking to a YT video about systemd vulnerabilities, and that could also be another reason why so many people hate it.
there are thousand reasons ;) Funny that it came up.

I wonder why people don't stick to programming principles sometimes. Small programs are better than an huge one.

Fat_Elvis 07-21-2017 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Xeratul (Post 5737903)
I does not matter much about it, anyhow, systemd is there and it means how bad has become programming today in Linux. This is a good reason to have *BSD systems.
Trust-wise, I absolutely agree with you. BSDs look to be saner systems in a lot of ways. Strong philosophical differences, but I am truly glad that they exist.


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