why so many people hate systemd?

hajthem · 06-30-2017, 06:00 PM

frankbell · 06-30-2017, 06:28 PM

There are many threads about SystemD here at LQ. You might consider using the LQ search to find them. You'll probably find more about SystemD-hate and -love than you want to know.

Here's one that's currently active: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ta-4175608516/

JJJCR · 07-03-2017, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hajthem

why so many people hate systemd?

It could be that when they use it, they were not sure of the settings and everything fails. And from that time on, the hatred for systemd has sprouted.

Fat_Elvis · 07-17-2017, 04:22 AM

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It could be that when they use it, they were not sure of the settings and everything fails. And from that time on, the hatred for systemd has sprouted.

True for developers. There were a few complaints about the quality of their work in the LKML.

For the rest of the GNU/Linux ecosystem the issue is a philosophical one. If Linux is a replacement for MacOS, Windows, or proprietary Unix for you, then you might not care as long as it works without issue. For those who care about Linux mainly because of the freedom it offers to configure your system as you see fit, to install or uninstall any piece of software, to have absolute control over every little piece of it, this is a very serious problem.

For me, personally, I refuse to be *told* what to do with my own computer. Granted, we are not there yet, but we are uncomfortably close. I would imagine many similar minded people exist within our community.

Doug G · 07-18-2017, 05:58 PM

Just like with all tech-related "religious" wars, people hate systemd because if they didn't hate it, there wouldn't have a good excuse to make useless posts in internet forums.

Fat_Elvis · 07-19-2017, 03:14 AM

Out of curiosity; do you disagree that artificial limits are being imposed on the Linux ecosystem?

ChuangTzu · 07-19-2017, 03:43 PM

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Out of curiosity; do you disagree that artificial limits are being imposed on the Linux ecosystem?

Isn't that a new thread?

Sefyir · 07-19-2017, 04:35 PM

Remove systemd and it will gut your system.
Somewhat more relevant then any vi / emacs war.
I'd be fine with systemd if it didn't decimate my system if I want / need to use another init system.

Code:

The following packages will be REMOVED
  aptdaemon blueberry brasero caja caja-folder-color-switcher cinnamon colord
  gnome-bluetooth gnome-disk-utility gnome-settings-daemon gnome-system-log
  gnome-system-tools gvfs:i386 gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse
  ia32-libs libcanberra-pulse libhal1-flash libpam-systemd mate-applets
  mate-control-center mate-indicator-applet mate-panel mate-polkit
  mate-power-manager mate-settings-daemon mint-meta-cinnamon mint-meta-codecs
  mint-meta-codecs-core mint-meta-core mint-meta-mate mintstick nemo
  nemo-emblems nemo-fileroller nemo-folder-color-switcher nemo-preview
  nemo-share network-manager network-manager-gnome nvidia-settings paprefs
  plasma-workspace policykit-1 policykit-1-gnome pulseaudio
  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-x11
  pulseaudio-module-zeroconf rfkill screen-resolution-extra sessioninstaller
  systemd systemd-sysv ubuntu-system-service udisks2

Fat_Elvis · 07-20-2017, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu

Isn't that a new thread?

Is it, now?

Xeratul · 07-20-2017, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by hajthem

why so many people hate systemd?

what a question

... because it is imposed. no choice. no freedom.

ChuangTzu · 07-20-2017, 02:31 PM

just one more reason, even Linus no longer trusts it.....

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...se-4175610133/

Xeratul · 07-21-2017, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu

just one more reason, even Linus no longer trusts it.....

https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...se-4175610133/

I does not matter much about it, anyhow, systemd is there and it means how bad has become programming today in Linux. This is a good reason to have *BSD systems.

miqrojamie · 07-21-2017, 01:14 AM

Doesn't it have vulnerabilities? I saw a thread here linking to a YT video about systemd vulnerabilities, and that could also be another reason why so many people hate it.

Xeratul · 07-21-2017, 01:32 AM

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Doesn't it have vulnerabilities? I saw a thread here linking to a YT video about systemd vulnerabilities, and that could also be another reason why so many people hate it.

there are thousand reasons

Funny that it came up.

I wonder why people don't stick to programming principles sometimes. Small programs are better than an huge one.

Fat_Elvis · 07-21-2017, 03:22 AM

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I does not matter much about it, anyhow, systemd is there and it means how bad has become programming today in Linux. This is a good reason to have *BSD systems.

Trust-wise, I absolutely agree with you. BSDs look to be saner systems in a lot of ways. Strong philosophical differences, but I am truly glad that they exist.