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rob.rice 01-07-2014 02:52 AM

scroll down to memory ware
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_flash#NAND_flash
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6459/s...ce-of-tlc-nand
http://www.storagesearch.com/ssdmyths-endurance.html
http://www.ssdperformanceblog.com/20...ment-and-raid/

TobiSGD 01-07-2014 03:18 AM

None of those articles is even near to supporting your claims.

rob.rice 01-07-2014 02:39 PM

1ooo to 3000 P/E cycles per bit cell for consumer grade chips 10,000 enterprise grade chips
that's a pretty damn short life compared to magnetic storage
and the greater the chip density the fewer the P/E cycles for all chips
the more of the drive's capacity you use the shorter the life of the drive

I would only use an SSDs for the O/S and put log files , swap space and user data on a magnetic drive

OK I was way off on the drive life I was right on the bit cell life
in spite of that my point is SSDs will not make magnetic drives a thing of the past any time soon
maybe never

TobiSGD 01-07-2014 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rob.rice (Post 5093717)
1ooo to 3000 P/E cycles per bit cell for consumer grade chips 10,000 enterprise grade chips
that's a pretty damn short life compared to magnetic storage

Actually no, it is not. Projected lifetime for all of my SSDs is well over 10 years (and yes, I have swap on the SSDs, why should I swap to the slow magnetic disks?), a time when they will be obsolete anyways. Usual lifetime for magnetic disks is not much different, mostly even shorter.

273 01-07-2014 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob.rice (Post 5093717)
1ooo to 3000 P/E cycles per bit cell for consumer grade chips 10,000 enterprise grade chips
that's a pretty damn short life compared to magnetic storage
and the greater the chip density the fewer the P/E cycles for all chips
the more of the drive's capacity you use the shorter the life of the drive

Yes, exactly, since my spinny drive doesn't have a wear-rate the spindle isn't worn and it isn't spinning up in about 1000% the time it used to. I've also no problems with any other magnetic-storage drives showing bad sectors.
Nope, only the SSDs will have any problems.

rob.rice 01-08-2014 06:19 AM

1ooo to 3000 P/E cycles per bit cell for consumer grade chips 10,000 enterprise grade chips
that's a pretty damn short life compared to magnetic storage
and the greater the chip density the fewer the P/E cycles for all chips
the more of the drive's capacity you use the shorter the life of the drive

I would only use an SSDs for the O/S and put log files , swap space and user data on a magnetic drive

OK I was way off on the drive life I was right on the bit cell life
in spite of that my point is SSDs will not make magnetic drives a thing of the past any time soon
maybe never

my bet of the cause of the death of magnetic HDDs will be this http://www.laserfocusworld.com/artic...tal-media.html

sgosnell 01-08-2014 10:52 PM

8 billion cells for an 8GB drive, times 3000 cycles, that takes a long time.

dugan 01-09-2014 12:41 PM

Don't the Xbox One and the Playstation 4 both have rotary hard drives?

TobiSGD 01-09-2014 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dugan (Post 5095042)
Don't the Xbox One and the Playstation 4 both have rotary hard drives?

They have. With SSDs that large their price would almost double.

273 01-09-2014 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 5095068)
They have. With SSDs that large their price would almost double.

Indeed it's like asking "don't IKEA use MDF" it's hardly an endorsement.

rob.rice 01-10-2014 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sgosnell (Post 5094687)
8 billion cells for an 8GB drive, times 3000 cycles, that takes a long time.

it's really short compared to magnetic drives
multimedia work maybe 1 month
for data base or spread sheet work maybe 6 months
computer programming work maybe 1 year
swap space could kill it in a week
it's what the applications are doing that accounts for 95% of the read write cycles less than 5% are the user saving to long term storage

Germany_chris 01-11-2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob.rice (Post 5095635)
it's really short compared to magnetic drives
multimedia work maybe 1 month
for data base or spread sheet work maybe 6 months
computer programming work maybe 1 year
swap space could kill it in a week
it's what the applications are doing that accounts for 95% of the read write cycles less than 5% are the user saving to long term storage

No, I've been using a revodrive for years as scratch.

sgosnell 01-11-2014 05:07 PM

You cannot write to every cell on a drive even 1000 times in a month. Cannot be done, not enough time, even if you run something that writes at maximum speed 24/7.

273 01-11-2014 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rob.rice (Post 5095635)
swap space could kill it in a week

Any evidence of this happening?
I admit I'm still a little sceptical of SSDs despite having used them in this EEE for years but, as I see it, spinny drives have their own problems with things like overheating, bad sectors, bad bearings and the like that mean in use they're no more stable.

gdejonge 01-12-2014 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by future_computer (Post 5078191)
If SSD can reach TB easily at lower cost:

You're giving the answer yourself. IF... If the cost per byte for HDD stays the same and SSD can catch up with them, SSD will probably replace them. But till now the cost/byte for HDD has be going down and it looks than it will be following this trend for the comming years. So SSD is still in the catch-up fase.

As for the enough storage capacity. There was a time that 20MB was more than enough, then 200MB was a lot, now someone mention that 250GB is enough. In a few years people probably will pity you if you tell them you have less than 2TB in your system. :)

Besides the real use for HDD is not the home user but the big data centers. And I dont think Google or facebook are going to replace all their harddisks for solid state, unless there is a very compelling economical reason.

When will we reach that point, I dont know. I remember that when floating point processors were still an optional item, someone calculated that the price of the copro had to be less than 1/3th of the main processor before people added them to their systems.

There is probably a compareable price point where people decide they going to replace their HDDs with SSDs. Mind you, I'm talking about replacing not adding to. Most people that replace their system disk still keep 1 or more terabyte harddisks around for storage of their data.

And to quote the great writer Samuel Clemens - 'The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.'

Cheers


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