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GrapefruiTgirl 03-17-2010 05:22 PM

Thanks :) -- I've never seen these 'wobbly windows' but I think I would not enjoy them..

MrCode 03-17-2010 05:44 PM

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I've never seen these 'wobbly windows' but I think I would not enjoy them..
You're welcome :)

IMO the only time you should use Wobbly is if you're showing Compiz off to your friends — it serves no functional purpose, and can sometimes get in the way if you need to do something really quick. Dynamic input redirection isn't implemented in Compiz (and somehow I don't think it ever will be), so you basically have to wait for the window to stop "wobbling" before you can interact with it. Or maybe you can interact with it, but the buttons won't seem to be in the right place, because the real button position differs from the visual button position.

MTK358 03-17-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3902414)
Besides, hardware compositing offloads a lot of the window drawing to the GPU, leaving the CPU to do more important things...

I actually noticed that my computer runs faster using a plain stacking WM as opposed to a compositing WM (And I'm not talking about Compiz with all the flashy effects, but a compositing WM wit no effects whatsoever!).

Also, when using a compositing WM (Xfwm4, at least, I haven't tried other compositing WMs on my Arch box), the contents (but not frame) of windows using OpenGL are always on top, even if there is another window above it.

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IMO the only time you should use Wobbly is if you're showing Compiz off to your friends — it serves no functional purpose, and can sometimes get in the way if you need to do something really quick. Dynamic input redirection isn't implemented in Compiz (and somehow I don't think it ever will be), so you basically have to wait for the window to stop "wobbling" before you can interact with it. Or maybe you can interact with it, but the buttons won't seem to be in the right place, because the real button position differs from the visual button position.
When I used Wobbly Windows in Fedora I think that you could interact with the window before it quit wobbling. It probably doesn't account for the offset, though.

MrCode 03-17-2010 07:31 PM

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Also, when using a stacking WM (Xfwm4, at least, I haven't tried others on my Arch box), the contents (but not frame) of windows using OpenGL are always on top, even if there is another window above it.
Hmm, that's odd — when I drop back to stacked window management (i.e. xfwm4 without compositing), OpenGL apps are handled just fine. Other windows overlap OpenGL windows normally.

Additionally, PAGE 90!! :D

(Well, for me at least :p)

MTK358 03-17-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3902536)
Hmm, that's odd — when I drop back to stacked window management (i.e. xfwm4 without compositing), OpenGL apps are handled just fine. Other windows overlap OpenGL windows normally.

Additionally, PAGE 90!! :D

(Well, for me at least :p)

Sorry, I meant that happens in compositing mode.

I have corrected my previous post.

MrCode 03-17-2010 07:44 PM

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Sorry, I meant that happens in compositing mode
Oh, okay — that's even weirder...it doesn't happen with me. In Compiz or the xfwm4 compositor.

Tinkster 03-17-2010 07:45 PM

Pissed off with my new glasses

lupusarcanus 03-17-2010 07:56 PM

Lol, I need wobbly windows. I must be weird. It just feels so plain without my windows wobbling. It actually increases my productivity because it feels natural. Same thing with a transparent terminal emulator. Besides looking cool, it allows me to see * instruction I found on google. Another thing I cannot live without, lol. Officially weird. I also found out that I prefer the cli vs. GUI for installing packages. I don't even use yaourt because I like the web interface and makepkg better. It's easier than some fancy GUI obfuscating the process. Yay.

OTOH, my fonts still look like cow droppings. I think something is wrong with the anti aliasing. I also would like to try lxde because I enjoy function simplicity. Perhaps this is why I'm drawn to Arch.

I also kinda wish la had a mobile site. The old iPod touch handles it respectably, but a mobile site would be more usable.

MrCode 03-17-2010 08:04 PM

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Lol, I need wobbly windows. I must be weird. It just feels so plain without my windows wobbling.
I notice you're posting from a Mac — how's Quartz Extreme (or whatever the Mac OS H/W compositor is called) compare, assuming it's enabled?

I like the "Genie" minimization effect (too bad you can't do that exactly in Compiz...you can come close, though). :p

MTK358 03-17-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by leopard (Post 3902556)
Lol, I need wobbly windows. I must be weird. It just feels so plain without my windows wobbling. It actually increases my productivity because it feels natural.

Wobbly windows really get in my way, I am very particular about placing my windows very accurately :D.

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I also found out that I prefer the cli vs. GUI for installing packages.
I also don't get why you would want to use a GUI package manager.

MrCode 03-17-2010 08:08 PM

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I also don't get why you would want to use a GUI package manager.
I need Synaptic (on Ubuntu) to search for packages...I don't know how to do it from the CLI :p

If I already know the name of the package, though, I can just sudo apt-get it.

Tinkster 03-17-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3902562)
I need Synaptic (on Ubuntu) to search for packages...I don't know how to do it from the CLI :p

If I already know the name of the package, though, I can just sudo apt-get it.

apt-cache search

MrCode 03-17-2010 08:22 PM

Thanks, man! I think I can safely abandon Synaptic now! :D

lupusarcanus 03-17-2010 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCode (Post 3902558)
I notice you're posting from a Mac — how's Quartz Extreme (or whatever the Mac OS H/W compositor is called) compare, assuming it's enabled?

I like the "Genie" minimization effect (too bad you can't do that exactly in Compiz...you can come close, though). :p

Actually, I don't have a Mac. I was posting from my iPod touch :)
Looks like LQ thought I was a Mac. Don't get me wrong, I actually like Apple's hardware -- especially the MacBook Pro -- but I prefer Linux over everything. I don't mind Apple. They contribute to the open-source community, run a Unix-based (it's actually a certified UNIX last time I checked) OS, and don't monopolize everything the way M$ does. (See: Bing, Windows, M$ Office, Xbox, Silverlight, IE, etc.) At least Apple is OK. I still hate the infamous EULA's though. Argh, everytime I have to hit accept, I cringe the way Richard Stallman would. It's like signing my soul over to the devil, lol. (Okay, that maybe a bit harsh)

Apple is cool too because they allow me to jailbreak my iPod -- albeit voiding my warranty (I got it off craigslist, so that doesn't matter) -- at least it's legal. A jailbroken iPod touch/iPhone is awesome for us Linux users. Once you jailbreak it, you get Debians APT to manage packages (true!) [sudo apt-get packagename-iPhoneOS-arm.deb !!!!], an awesome Terminal Emulator, and access to all GNU's great stuff. (awk, sed, etc.) Oh, and it's a BASH emulator too, so I can bash script on the go!

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I need Synaptic (on Ubuntu) to search for packages...I don't know how to do it from the CLI

If I already know the name of the package, though, I can just sudo apt-get it.
Yeah, I used to use the Ubuntu Software Center for everything. APT is much harder to conceptually understand than pacman. man pacman will tell everything you need to know. The man pages for apt are a bit, uh...well not useful. (At least for me) I like Pacman though. It's easy to 'get'. Although, for the darnedest reason I can't get the python rankmirrors script to work quite right. After it ranks everything and I pacman -Syy, I try to install or upgrade a package, and it fails with the error that nothing was found in the sync db.

And I actually hit a huge problem with Network Manager. It's ok now, but wow it almost broke my system. The problem was KDE apparently believed I could Hibernate (suspend-to-disk) [point n' click strikes again) {I do have a swap...}, and I clicked the option and Hibernated, and for some unknown reason this broke NM. So I checked out the Arch Wiki and followed some instructions, and I edited a config file (must've done it incorrectly, else beware the Arch Wiki NM entry), and then I rebooted, and somehow this broke PolicyKit which ended up making HAL and DBUS daemons fail, which caused a chain of events that crashed X, KDE and the Linux all together, forcing me to do a hard, unclean reset. (I couldn't switch TTY's, and had no input capabilities...) Thanks to ext3 everything is a-OK, but I ended up having to pop in the Live CD and edit the inittab to boot to console and re-install NM from there. Since, NM has been smooth as butter. BEWARE the enty in the Arch Wiki if you use Knetorkmanager and get an error. Problem really isn't NM's fault though, it lost some obscure config file or something because of the failed Hibernate. Thus, now I am figuring out why Hibernate does not work correctly.

Sometimes I amaze myself with how far off topic I can get. Wow. Although, this thread is cool because it's like an open-ended discussion, and an embedded blog that none will read a year into the future. :)

What am I doing now?

Um, see above? :)

lupusarcanus 03-17-2010 09:25 PM

LOL, I remember the commands I used to fix my system:
cd /
mkdir WTF
mount /dev/sda1 /WTF
...


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