The Kali posts are ramping up...
 

Kids must be marathon-ing Mr. Robot again.

To be clear, I definitely have no problem with anyone using their distro of choice. It just seems like a waste of time for everyone to answer simple Linux questions repeatedly for someone who's going to get frustrated and bored in a few days.

Meh, maybe the next "hax0r" TV show will feature Win or Mac. Or Plan 9!

lol
Comes and goes- happened before it was called kali too.

Kali threads are treated like Ebola cases by me.

Too bad. Soo Sad, Sux to be you. I guess penetration only happens in your mind.

Such as this one? :D

This is what happens, they see something and they wish to mimic. I bet they're not all kids though ...

Well played, sir.

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Wile I am personally only mildly interested in "pen testing" of my own systems to be aware of vulnerability and guard against them, and on the surface the childlike attraction of such distros as Kali are a bit frivolous and laughable, OTOH it seems Cyber Warfare is an actual and evolving reality. If you doubt this, research StuxNet and beyond. The sophistication is stunning. Every country is going to need more hackers, not less or risk being absolutely crippled. Every individual will ultimately be affected. Stay ignorant at ones own risk.... "A Word, to the wise, is sufficient"

Well, recursion IS a Unix feature. :)

A recent TV show on our government cybersecurity showed a training exercise - one team trying to hack power infrastructure, another team defending. As the teams booted their systems, they were quite obviously using kali.
Nothing wrong with the software under discussion.

On the old Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban, when public internet access was still largely restricted to academia, the regulars used to complain that they could tell when school had started up again by the influx of new, (how shall I put this?) not necessarily adept, users.

AFU still exists, but is a shadow of its former self.

Following a tutorial in Linux Voice, I did some exercises in Kali; I was mostly interested in learning more about pen-testing; to steal a phrase from the railroad, I wanted to become "familiar, but not conversant" with it. Kali is very nice piece of work, if pen-testing's your thing. It's pretty lousy for normal desktop usage, though. (Tony Beamus of the Sunday Morning Linux Review has been doing some advanced courses in pen-testing; he mentioned on the podcast that Kali was used in his classes.)

That's the problem though for most of the Kali posts. It's people that are new users, saw Kali on TV, and want to run Kali with networking autostarting, wifi, installed on their desktops as a desktop OS, which is totally against what Kali is designed for. And the decisions made to make Kali what it is, make it very insecure when run as a desktop OS without major changes.

I would add that most of the would-be Kali users who fall in that category have no idea how complex, laborious, and time-consuming pen-testing is. It's nothing like the "'I'm through the firewall' flying GUI windows" theatre you see on television shows such as the various permutations of NCIS and the justly-defunct CSI: Cyber. I'm willing to give NCIS sort of a pass, because it doesn't pretend to be technologically accurate and the tech fairy tales are generally peripheral to the plot, but there was no excuse for CSI: Cyber.

(Back in the olden days, we would have called the Kali users of which you speak "script kiddies.")

Show up here all dialed in (MrRobot. sucks) but get twisted and post "224.0.0.2 is bombarding my firewall"
Sheeple. Bless their hearts.

Kali is an automatic "ignore this thread" to me.
Just sayin'.

"You're just like MrRobot".

... happens all the time when you're using a CLI for the usual boring network stuff (and it appears to be a compliment).

No different than the influx of NS2 messages that crop up each Fall and Summer session.

I had to go and look up what MrRobot was ... :redface:

I might be in the minority, but I actually like the show.

It's just that anytime I see them using Kali I let out a very audible sigh... I just know I'm going to come on here the next day and see something in the Newbie forum like:

or

:rolleyes:

The "How do I shave my beard with this chainsaw?" crowd?

Kali is actually a very good tool if you're using it right.
Unlike others it only bundles the basics without adding "dangerous" scripts as others do.
Further more it's both Debian based and semi supported (you'll find many Debian people in their core team).

What I don't get is why it's suddenly used as a script-kiddie tool.
It's meant as an educational tool and doesn't even offer the "easy-cracking" stuff for modern systems (all of its examples are based on old and already fixed Window XP flaws and the Metasploit Framework).

LOL, the very same.

Couldn't agree more.

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Hi,
First rule is; Be sure to use your ear plugs or defenders!

Second rule; Repair Nicks

Third rule; No loose clothing!

Forth rule; Must have Dr. on speed dial! :)

Welcome to the club!
:hattip:

i still do and a ton are over on 4chan

use the best tool for the job with keeping in mind your experience in debian or rhel or slackware camps

kali on a usb is fun to play around with , BUT!!!! if you have to ask basic linux questions then one should really NOT be trying to use it

using Kali is like making a night landing on a carrier in rough seas

if you have never learned to fly even a single engine Cessna then you ARE going to "crash and burn "

I was never a script kiddie. When I was a kiddie, there was no such thing. Scripts were things actors read from.

I can say, though, that, when I was a kiddie, I did not always research things thoroughly before I did them, like driving 100 mph on country roads late at night and TPing my 10th Grade English teacher's front yard (I am still glad I did that, too).

I doubt kiddies have changed all that much over the years.

(I did do one thing right. I didn't get caught.:))

One of the wisest sentences/advice my father gave me before he passed away.
I still use that logic still.

Doing 100mph on my motorcycle from time to time.

One of these months. I might give Kali a spin to see how dumb I am.

If you do, do so with a copy of the Linux Voice tutorial I mentioned above at your knee. It was a nice job of work.

Well yes, kids will always be kids.

Being a kid (in what's starting to look like a different time dimension), I did stupid things as well (and sadly got caught a few times).
... however ... I did took the time to learn the correct tools (in those days, cracking a system mostly meant using something silly as (a modified) telnet, security was almost non-existing).

Did the speeding thing as well.
Bought a Vespa "Special", knowing I could just remove a screw to make it 4 times faster (their engines where originally made for highway bikes).

Kali isn't and will never try to be a malicious cracking tool.
It's a zillion times easier to use existing and publicly available scripts for whatever system you're using.

PS: Just watched some episodes from that MrRobot show, and his most used "cracking" tool appears to be plain old wget.
IMHO, their seem to be many people using a fictional tv show to sell books(even O'Reilly) and other media, abusing Kali for something it simply can't do.

wget is a great tool

i use it all the time

You're just like MrRobot!!8!!8!! ;--)

for bulk download of image data from cassini or MRO "wget" is the best tool to grab a few hundred images from the PDS archive

Advice on saying: not the [best] place for a Kali [beginner]
 

How might I politely/properly say: "not here" to like this (plus: Simply Goo...: kali cellphone)
I suspect that referring them to #11&#12 here (&#13!) wouldn't be 'ok'.