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short101 03-18-2005 05:55 AM

Man, I thought compiling mplayer was hard. ;)

al_periodical 03-18-2005 08:46 AM

forgive me for being silly infront of you guys ,just for curiosity,
is there any way to prove that 1+1=2 with maths ?

it's fun reading posts in this thread,i'm interested in maths suddenly

Tux_Phoenix 03-18-2005 09:01 AM

Are you sure 1+1=2??? Well I know a math teacher that will argue that one.

ahh 03-18-2005 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by al_periodical
forgive me for being silly infront of you guys ,just for curiosity,
is there any way to prove that 1+1=2 with maths ?

I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someome can provide a proof, but I think this is more a case of definitions, or conventions.

Sometime way back people agreed that the word we use to mean a singular item is one.

This was good, but on its own it had limited usefulness, so some bright spark said why dont we call one and another one two?

So I think that by definition 1 + 1 = 2, because that is what two means.

al_periodical 03-18-2005 09:05 AM

eh ?
don't tell me it's 11 ?

al_periodical 03-18-2005 09:09 AM

Quote:

I'm not a mathematician, so maybe someome can provide a proof, but I think this is more a case of definitions, or conventions. Sometime way back people agreed that the word we use to mean a singular item is one. This was good, but on its own it had limited usefulness, so some bright spark said why dont we call one and another one two? So I think that by definition 1 + 1 = 2, because that is what two means.
we might have problems with 0 (which is a zero)

ahh 03-18-2005 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by al_periodical
we might have problems with 0 (which is a zero)
Well if I remember correctly, originally there was no 0. It was only when the current method of numbering (?is that a word?) was adopted that the 0 was used. It was basically a place holder between two other digits, or on its own, to show the space where nothing is.

But again it is really a definition, someone decided to call the absence of any items zero.

radostsguy 03-18-2005 09:26 AM

ahh. Yeah. I think you're right on that one!

al_periodical. Why would there be a problem with zero? At least not as far as addition and subtraction are concerned.

It's with multiplication and division that zero becomes a problem. Look at this:

2+x=6
2+y=6

Therefore, x=y, namely 4. Right?

But look at this:

0 / 2 = 0
0 / 3 = 0

Therefore 2 = 3! :p

The real beauty though is this:

If x is a finite number, the Limit of x / y as y approaches 0 is infinity! :D

:edit: ahh, you snuck one in on me! Mathematicians and physicists deferentiate between zero and non-existance! (Don't ask!)

al_periodical 03-18-2005 09:28 AM

it seems that some maths are best explain in words while the rest only in maths

vharishankar 03-18-2005 09:32 AM

Quote:

From Wikipedia
The first decimal zero was introduced by Indian mathematicians about 300. The first independent use of zero as a numeral is attributed to them. An early use of the zero by Brahmagupta dates to 628. He treated zero as a number and discussed operations involving this number. By this time (7th century) the concept had reached Cambodia, and it later spread to China and the Islamic world, from where it reached Europe in the 12th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero

radostsguy 03-18-2005 09:32 AM

deferentiate? Nice spelling radostsguy!

Differentiate!

radostsguy 03-18-2005 09:38 AM

Harishankar!

To put your signature a little differently:

"It's better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it!"

I did know that the concept of zero was missing in Europe for a long time. Think of the Roman Numerals - there isn't one for zero!

Boy, did this thread ever get busy all of a sudden! :D

al_periodical 03-18-2005 10:00 AM

thanks guys
i tried wikipedia with zero and Roman numeral,
i didn't expect zero was/is so problematic

jiml8 03-18-2005 07:11 PM

Quote:

N
E (i+2)
i=1
Is this really the equation you want to solve? It is trivial. It reduces to

(3+(N+2))*(N/2) = (5+N)*(N/2)

No iteration at all required to solve it.

amosf 03-21-2005 06:35 AM

1 + 1 = 10


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