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While typing this, i've made a conclusion that people fall into two groups. type One: thinks every (or almost every) conspiracy theory is dumb, and the people who believe them are gullible fools. type Two: Are much more open to believe conspiracy theories, and think that the people who don't believe them are gullible fools. Type two would be much more likely to take illegal drugs, because they've already become open to the idea that the government makes wrong decisions. |
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Who says it contributed? And where does he live? ;) Nah, I'm sure you are right, but they would probably have invented it anyway. I doubt dope is a prerequisite for the PC. Quote:
All current western governments are destructive for their populations. The slimy democrats and Marxists that are running them want us to be pacified brainwashed slaves dominated by surveillance states. But there are benign governments too. Quote:
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the problem here is PEOPLE, always has been and always WILL be on one end of the spectrum you have the lowest common denominator, who are stupid, ignorant, and apathetic (they can't understand,don't know, and don't care) and those are the people with the most vote, they just vote for the most flashily presented dogma\ on the other end you have the slick, conniving, underhanded, lying, cheating, greedy, power hungry, evil jerks that step into power and make rules that only benefit themselves at the expense of the 'little people', (and unfortunately it's the lowest common denominator's willful ignorance of the true extent of their malice that by and large lets them get into power in the first place) and of course there are those in between who are unfortunately by and large along for the ride problem is that often when someone TRIES to make a change in the interest of the little person, the propaganda machines rally the lowest common denominator against them, making it look like something in their best interest is actually BAD for them (or in the case of pot, something that is at worst, mostly harmless) but that's not the fault of the democratic system it's the PEOPLE even with a dictatorship, if the dictator is altruistic (acts in the best interest of the little person) than there shouldn't be a problem, problem is the dictatorship often has tyrannical, self-serving dictators that oppress the citizens. so is it oppression by popular vote or oppression by dictator? either way it's oppression Quote:
as i said above, it's not the system it's the people in the system that make it good or bad. besides, who gets to say what is in the 'best interest' of the people? should we make cruise ships illegal because one might sink? or ban the use of trains because they might derail? or better yet make cars illegal because they pollute the environment? just because it isn't something that works for me or something I like doesn't give me the right to dictate to everyone else that they CAN'T have/use it If I, for instance want to stand out in the middle of a corn field and blow myself up with a stick of dynamite that should be my prerogative. Doing the same in a crowded room, not so much. On the same note, if i want to say.. burn down my own house (as long as i don't defraud the insurance company in the process), that's my prerogative too, I paid for the house (that applies to OWNED houses, not rental properties of course). I should have the right to deliberately cause damage, even death/destruction to MYSELF/My property if I so please (not that I personally WOULD), as long as I'm not harming or killing others. I don't want some holier than thou person coming up to me and saying I can't because they know better what's right for ME and they are going to force me to adhere to that. Is it necessarily in my best interest to harm myself, NEVER, but should it matter? it's my life/body, my property, why should you care? Nobody should be trying to say what is in someone else's best interest. Quote:
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panem et circenses anyone? keep the lowest common denominator preoccupied with other shallow meaningless tripe (such as sports, tv, the next iphone, etc..) and they won't have any motivation to question what really matters. the short end is it comes down to PEOPLE, the best solution isn't to change government it's to motivate the lowest common denominator to become better educated and make more informed decisions, and stop making stupid rules like banning pot when we have more important issues to worry about, such as a crap economy, and more serious crimes like MURDER to worry about. |
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Pot smokers are of all types. Any group can be stereotyped and or statistically flawed (or twisted in to it) in more ways than one... |
Comparing the hierarchy of a website to governing society is apples to oranges all the way. If you honestly admire fascism you have plenty of opportunity to experience it first hand, but choose not to. If you honestly think it creates a great society you have plenty of examples to illustrate how it has in the past, but choose not to.
Just an afterthought, true education requires basic reading skills and an internet connection or library. People often think education is going to school and college. |
I think hate and uneducated walk hand in foot :D
... C'e$t la vie ... |
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Who's to say what's in the people's best interest? Science, logic, statistics, trial and error. The benefit of cars, cruise ships and trains outweigh the risks. Motorcycles we can ban, though, and we should stop being so dependent on oil for gasoline. And we should stop destroying the environment, as you say! Cars are actually of dubious value. You value personal freedom too much. Each individual is but a kog in the human machinery. Individuals have very little value on their own. It's not your life or body: you are a cell that is a part of a greater organism: mankind -- and it is your duty to do what you can to aid its future survival. Everyone who doesn't is useless... a cell that's not doing what it's supposed to. Therefore the government has the right to dictate that you should not use drugs recreatively. It's not oppression -- it's symbiosis. Since it is natural, it is in your best interest to live a good and productive life as well, and raise healthy children. Preferably we shouldn't have to force people to behave well; they should do it out of their own free will. But, as you say, many of them are uneducated and do not care. In the end it doesn't make a difference if they do it willingly or not, as long as they do it. We don't read in the history books that the Romans 2000 years ago were happy to build the Roman Empire and did it out of their own free will. What matters is that it was built. Quote:
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I am too opinionated but: "The benefit of cars, cruise ships and trains outweigh the risks. Motorcycles we can ban, though," we can make electric bikes and drive them safely in mine! Don't need cars here...
How old can you say humanity is? Like cancer and evolution of opinions "it is" "duty to do what you can to aid its future survival." 3. but it's all about the money right? "No!" Then why are more than 2/3rds left to rot? |
They say smoking pot can lead to.... I forgot what are we talking about?
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I like to consider i fall into category three, but then the people in category two would all think that too, leaving all the people actually in category three unsure which group they truly are in. What is the defenition of a 'stoner'. I indulge in cannabis sometimes, about once to twice a fortnight. I definitely don't take it every day, does this make me a stoner? It doesn't control my life; if i know i'll be driving, then i simply don't do it. I don't spend a fortune on it (because admittedly i don't go through shit loads). I'm unemployed, but have had the opportunity to get a job i really want recently and haven't touched the stuff for about a month and a half, because of this; so i'm clearly in control. I never use the word 'stoner', so i'm just interested in the definition from someone who does. Weed makes me extremely lethargic, so i'll agree to an extent about the laziness. I also have a few drinks quite often, and even take shrooms about four times a year for that matter, but i wouldn't say i do these things to escape my issues. In fact, if i know i'm having an issue with anything, i never take shrooms. I take these things as an enjoyment of life when there's nothing needed to be done (by this i mean work or jobs around the house). Of course i enjoy life in many other sobre ways too; personally i enjoy drawing and growing tree amongst other things too, but other times i just like to kick back and listen to music with bloodshot eyes. I don't see how one pleasure is any different to another. So many people just sit in front of the tv hour after hour; from your prospective, how are what these people doing any better than someone enjoying laying back enjoying a high. |
This thread is proof that weed is good. Someday I will show it to my grandkids and we'll have a laugh.
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Me: if I’m tired and smoke yes but other wise more energy (four hours give or take ;))... |
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You may be able to use it responsibly, but there are a lot of people who don't. It sucks that your freedom has to be limited because other people screw up, but how should we write a law that distinguishes responsible use from irresponsible? Surely you can live without it for the greater good? As for the word "stoner", I normally say "junkie" but I thought "stoner" would be less offensive. If you smoke a cigar once a month, then I call you a smoker. You definitely qualify. |
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