This thread predates my membership... ;)
 

good topic the world needs more freedom.Sure they meant the poll is private or if you don't post your viewing it privately, kinda?
^^^I should not touch this one^^^but I hate that it's called military intelligence$ so if your friends would have killed the "bad guys" either side being high or not would that have helped? And, how about after having killed, some could consider marijuana as therapeutic? That being said I don't condone typerope waking stoned a good idea unless you trained high (pun(?))Just the best\safest and if your Dr. says you should eat (unlike when your definitely going to die shortly when eating can cause suffering :() heard of the munchies++?

BajaNick 1,737 posts 46 Rep: points LOLYes, why not rehabilitation and education? More work and makes le$$.Wish I could say to each their own but here we are. :mad: Good for you on the cigs and alcohol tho... we can learn to abuse, praise, demonize or use moderation with anything keyword being learn.

___ Pause for sleep only a little later than planned. :D

typo in answers, should be NyQuil.

What I do or don't do is nacho and nunya. ;)

InMyGoingOvers^this+otherThreadNot implyingToLeaveOutEverythingElseExceptMaybeTheObviousJunk
 

Living kills brain cells. And, if we only use 10% of them could explain fast food, corruption, killing+++?Life is a gate way drug but you can learn.Yes and lets not try to live to be 100 and well either?Yes stereotyping anyone is bad. "Lies, damned lies, and statisticsDrugs don't kill people guns do. :D (OK it's social groups, individuals and nature!)_______You maybe happy to now I'm almost finished...

Sex and most of the others are far worse drugs
if you ask me. Are we heading\"leading" towards sustainability or blind marketing, war, control, etc?

Thread from 2003, regurgitated. For the record, I couldn't care less what anyone's stance is regarding recreational drug use. An it harm none, do what ye will.

Yes, I forgot to remind people how old it was and did so in the other thread link is ^above. My stance is almost the same but medically seeking it's a crime for it not to be legal!

seriously DUDE
do you want your taxes doing things like building roads fixing bridges supporting schools
or would your taxes be better spent locking up people who have never hurt anybody in any way
who just had something non lethal not a weapon in there position
do you really want your taxes supporting a black market in pot with all the damage to society
that a black market of any kind involves

look at the huge disaster the (so called ) war on drugs has been for the U.S.
I think ALL DRUGS should be legal

we had alcohol probation here in the U.S.
it was the most law less time in our history
it was so bad that it embedded organized crime in to our economy
and is still inflicting damage to this day over 70years later

And, that's just the tip of the iceberg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post5138985

Greetings
I am betting this thread is not only dead but in a state of rigormortus. I notice fewer and fewer cons posting and that is indicative of a mindset that says

Oh well it is a drug so use it like you should. Don't over do it. Use it wisely. And remember it is your life and pursuit of happiness. My father died of alcohol.
My sister destroyed her life with a mix of alcohol and other drugs.

To think that people get put in prison for 3 to 5 years for small amounts of Pot. Well that is crazy.

Why is alcohol legal . It was decided by congress that it was to violent to keep prohibition going. To many innocent people hurt in the actual enforcement.

Not going to say smoking pot and being a stoney with the short term memory loss is a good or bad thing. Just saying smoking pot should not make you a criminal.

Heck at my age if I got stoned I pass out with a bag of chips in my hand.
So I say this to everyone. It not about right or wrong it is about growing up and being responsible.

sour cream chips are good like the BBQ ones to. Now was it the ripples I had last night mmm.

Thanks Drakeo, very sensible. The memory loss I would guess depends on usage although I know lots of old (long time) users of it and they maybe smarter than most or perhaps if someone works around fumes, power-lines and such? Most druggies (that do seem less in the head, at lest) that I've known, go to the Dr. for one of their main mixes (often saying exercise would make it worse :rolleyes:) as well alcohol seems to be heavy with that and them.

enorbet you may want to throw a quote box around that sarcastic (Reefer Madness sounding) stereotype, I almost missed it. :) :)

I don't think that you will ever stop marijuana from being smoked, and it does have astonishing medical properties. I think that we're stuck right now in days where "because of 'war on drugs™' legislation, a guy gets busted and sent to prison for 10 years for having a stub of a pot cigarette in his car. The day before he has to report to jail, he goes to a bar and gets drunk while chain-smoking cigarettes, while sitting next to an off-duty cop who's doing the same thing and does nothing because (unless the kid jumps into a car ...) no laws have been broken either by the alcohol (drug) or the nicotine (drug).

But even over and above that, there are a lot of other inconsistencies in our legal behavior. For example, "Meth(amphetamines)," against which millions of dollars of public money are spent every year, would be stopped cold if a certain form of cold-capsule were taken off the market. Instead, it stays there because it is (hmmmm ...) extremely profitable. Now, "Meth" is a scourge to society. But we don't block the commercial manufacture and over-the-counter sale of its most crucial ingredient, without a steady external supply of which, "Meth" production would collapse.

True. Although I do miss chemistry kits with actual chemicals in them, like when I was a kid.

Like has been mentioned, prohibition Fed :( to organized crime that still kills. The average pot user is against violence (we don't get out the Tommy guns) so government is kinda the organized criminals in this case. I do like the idea of my retirement being a pot smuggler tho I wouldn't go for huge profit but quantity for the payoff and if I'd get caught that's it free food, room and board.

I don't have as much fun as I used to.
But.

I found not being in pain and the ability to focus intently for minutes on a task on my ranch got more things accomplished than when not.

I built my 20X40 foot air force power plant barn from white sands new mexico while working a time clock and raising kids. Being pain free allowed this.

Being pain free and able to concentrate was illegal though for me.
You can't talk the talk unless you walk the walk.

Studies and Links don't cut it for me.
I know what works and what does not.

On the law thing. Back at my ranch at the border crossing.
I watched a 80 year old Hispanic man being led off to Hudspeth county
sheriffs jail in handcuffs. He had a roach in his ash tray.

No tolerance. If he was a county judge or a retired Border patrolman.
Tolerance.

I figure once you hit 80. You get a free pass in life when it comes
to illegal drugs. Dues have been paid in life.

Oh well. I hope he was treated well but I doubt it.

Willie Nelson was also busted at the check point by my ranch.

Thanks for the tip. Done and done. And that memory loss thing. Yeah it's nasty to get old and ummm what were we talking about and was I finished? :P

:D

These topics are only useless to you and\or your opinions,,, if you chose to ignore the system that is fuking you! Or, you work for it, perhaps blindly? FREEDOM is not supposed to kill!
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If I was going to ban a drug, then it would be Alcohol. It causes over 4% of world deaths.
I can't think of one death caused by marijuana.
Drug hysteria is what it is.

A Scanner Darkly (film 2006:)
 

http://www.hightimes.com/read/fda-no...codin%E2%80%9D

Does the government edit Wikipedia pages??? :eek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:A_...eds_re-working

Sorry to rez this thread, but:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/08/1...rug-overdoses/
http://ktla.com/2014/08/07/health-sm...s-of-overdose/

This isn't about regular marijuana, but newly developed synthetic versions. It is still relevant.

As for if I smoke. No way. I don't need to cripple my mind and body.

I'm also not a fan of public use of the stuff, which is inevitable. However, I would not ban any drug, that would result in prohibition style Mafia/Gang rule.

No it is not relevant. This was some synthetic designer drug alleged to have a "marijuana-like high" that was sprayed on some herbs. The only relevancy is that this kind of "bathtub gin effect" ceases when prohibition dies. Aside from that I'd expand the concept that "the government which governs best, governs least" by pointing out that not only would the courts and prisons be less costly and more effective, but adherence to the law increases when laws are clear and simple.

If you read "Mein Kampf" you will see that one of Hitler's premises for how to gain oppressive control and divide people in the process is to have lots of laws and preferably many that make so-called "victimless crimes" illegal and are extremely obtuse, which divides the populace since they then tend to spy on one another, are afraid to talk openly, have difficulty understanding exactly what is legal and what is not (causing people to err on the side of safety and do nothing) and a whole host of other beneficial effects.... to a dictator.

voted yes ;)

started when i was 15 or so. had about 5 years pause with alcohol and bud but started to smoke again about 2 and half years ago.
i am now 40 years old and i can notice some problems with my memory, i have done iq tests and psychological tests, scored about 128 in iq test and psychological tests were all over average except memory tests. i guess its bcus of my heavy smoking. (when i was about 18-23 years old i smoked 5-10 grams hashis a day)

i tried once sythetic thc, its crazy stuff, ill just say to u guys - Dont smoke it.

Your memory gets better if you exercise it, worse if you don't. That said everything is different. Maybe you are just unlucky in your "old age" and need to see an actual doctor? :(

Slightly off-topic:
My neck of the woods just banned Salvia Divinorum even tho it's been used since, at lest, the Mayans (like weed nontoxic if vaporized or ate plus safer than all hallucinogenics if you now how and why..). Their first reaction maybe fear (because like Jimmy they're not experienced) but lets face it who want$ ju$t anyone to expand their mind$? :confused: Power to the people!

“Victimless crimes” are not victimless, the cops are henchmen creating victims... addiction is a smaller problem than stupidity but not a crime (like it,) let the bombs drop where they may! ��

http://www.krazlaw.com/blog/2014/02/...ss-crime.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victimless_crime

I tried pot once. Didn't do anything, and I smoked hydroponic sensamillia too, and friend who gave it to me took one puff and was on Cloud 9. I got hungry, but that was it, I went back to cleaning our apartment and never felt anything else. A can of Pringles did get munched on though.

I think it's abused due to recreational overuse.

In my opinion, it needs control, and needs to be limited to patients with life-threatening illnesses that have a chance of becoming, or being terminal illnesses as a way to help them ease pain, aid medicines in speeding up effects, and relaxing them.

Someone with ADHD, back pain, and such doesn't need pot. They need a slap up side the head, a hobby, and/or a massage therapist or chiropractor.

Considering that your results were so different from your friends, who is qualified to determine and control that? Furthermore to what end? Exactly how does it serve anyone, let alone society as a whole, to prosecute and jail people who possess a naturally growing plant and upon the consumption of said plant, eat Pringles and/or giggle at Sponge Bob?

Similarly, who the hell are you to tell someone else what they need for some ailment they have? You tend to your ills and they should have the right to tend to theirs. As long as "what works for you" doesn't harm anyone else, why should you, let alone The State, have any concern and spend any money or effort? This is just personal bias and has zero place in the Law.

Being born is a contract with humanity and it needs to be rewritten kitten LOL! :)--georgiacriminalappellatelawblog.com

Healthcare or war are different debates (closely related here:)... should we pay more for people who make or fall into poor choices like becoming morbidly obese or working at a factory there whole life to get carpal tunnel??? and, even thinking terror (or stupidity) is a good way to combat terror (or stupidity)?!.

Catch my drift €¢cat?

Stay Green!
 

Careful now,,, don't die of alcohol poisoning or philosophizing these next few days... stay green!!!

Also, try Salvia divinorum... at a legal zip code near you(?) they (gun-toting maniacs) will fix it for you (watch some scary movies while you don't!) :study: ;)

Personally, I'd strongly advise against any psyche-altering substances/situations (drugs, alcohol, dance, ...) unless in a super safe environment, and even then...
Again...personally, besides, I dont smoke, do drugs or drink...just for the sake of control :)
Melissa
(being a sensible girl)

I was recently thinking of my senior year high school "English" teacher (...and, how hot she was :banghead:) she said: "never tried any drug"(... :scratch: aside from the obvious;) I thought, what a waste,,, upon proper edu(like they don't do) tho!!!

I gave up smoking when Mrs. Jones died.

L, o, l, self-control... (corrected.) :twocents:

Funny on how when the problem comes to a certain class of people. Instead of being a problem only on the other side of the tracks.
That attitudes start to change when their kids go to prison.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/31/us...ents.html?_r=0

Hypocrisy has no boundaries when it comes to moral stances then.

Locally. Our police chiefs son can be busted with drugs and other offences. Then mysteriously. All charges are dropped.
A hispanic kid from a poor family. Say bye bye.

War on drugs is just class warfare in my opinion. To all the voters who support the war on drugs. I hope your kid does not get caught up in the roadblock.

Thats interesting, I wonder if they would also like a gentler punishment if their bratty kids were in trouble for rape, or hazing, or whatever else rich white kids seem to get away with. Pretty much the mentality is, until it hits home make punishments as tough as possible.

I don't see why they have to worry much though, if they have money they can just buy their kids' freedom. You have enough money and you can practically get away with anything.

It is also funny (poor choice of words) - ironic I guess, that the US has the highest number of incarcerations, hell the PRC, DPRK, Iran should be taking lessons from us.

Back on subject, since a few states have already legalised it for personal use, I don't see why it isn't inevitable that it will be rolled out (no pun intended) to the rest of the country eventually.

The so-called war on drugs is a joke. It has cost more money and lives than it is intended outcome.

I am now going on a tangent -- Whats more criminal to me is the stranglehold pharma has, and their products are pushed on us everyday, just turn on your tv...

The US Drugwar
I'll just leave this here

Holy cow. A pragmatic human being. I am also upset about how the pharmacy and medical community has high jacked us.
I had better medical coverage in the 1980's than I do now. I expect to pass away from being a broke a$$ scooter tramp.

Edit: PS. I have Blue Cross Medical Insurance. It sucks.

I'm under Obamacare PPO, not bad only shitty thing about it is that I can't do overtime because it disqualifies my subsidy if I do. I am waiting to see what my company offers for their insurance this year and if it is better I will go with that. I can then make more overtime monie$, but the drawback is I won't be able to deduct from my taxes like I do under Obamacare, so I have to weigh the pros/cons of each.


Back on subject, again I wouldn't be surprised if eventually the entire country legalises marijuana. I don't see the problem in legalising it. And actually it would be a win for government anyways, since all of the tax revenue that could be collected just like when prohibition was repealed. Then again prohibition is what happens when you have religious morons dictating policy. And oh yea, a lot more people died during prohibition, because of the takeover of booze running by organized crime, and by going to a speakeasy you were playing with your life, because most of the booze was watered down with toxic substances, which in turn would be your final drink.

Its all about money though, since I am sure that big tobacco also has a hand in making sure it isn't fully legalised, because think of the impact it would have on their profits.

Yeah. To protect our health. Paraquat weed from Mexico was making it to the American markets.

http://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/paraq...sics/facts.asp

Because of https://www.intellihub.com/us-gov-ad...uana-in-1980s/ >>>>>Govt Policy.

Sound like Govt Gin joints to me. Policy can kill a citizen slowly but surely.

Except that what are the chemicals in tobacco smoke again?

"nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT." http://therealcost.betobaccofree.hhs...8P8HAQ#Reasons

Smoking marijuana is by no means safe for your lungs - even if it is not laced with anything but is just pure unadulterated weed, you are still doing damage, but I would also imagine that cigarette smoke is worse.

Yeah, cigarette tobacco users calling pot users harmful is like the kettle calling the pot black.

But one is legal all over the world. The other depending in what country you are in. Is not.

I do not smoke anything any more. I have been known to eat a mushroom or brownie from time to time though.

non-smoker, I just don't like the taste.

Cancer everyone?
 

The FDA (and\or industry's) couldn't do any worse,,, if they did something right :scratch: but the FBI? :mad:

It's hard for me to stay on subject in these off-subject threads... :D here I kinda want to say if you get trained to always be in control (whether for a "grater good" or not) you will at points come off as a prick to others, especially those simply trained by life. Law-enforcement (if at all) takes the same physic class as elections!?.

P.s: I (Asthma) don't smoke but have a really nice vaporizer and grate scientifically-designed recipes; I never got as high as an over doing it youthful pot-head until more recently, I had some Marijuana caramels yum!

Julia Lee / The Spinach Song
Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit
Mos Def - 2006 True Magic - Thug is a Drug
Black Sabbath - Sweet Leaf w/ Lyrics
Sunfest 2014 - Legalize It

on a purely principle level I fully understand that my freedom is necessarily curtailed to a degree that I am not a hazard to my neighbors so owning, say... fissionable material, poisons that can leech into the water table, etc need to be firmly regulated. However I really can't for the life of me see the logic behind any democracy prohibiting the possession of a naturally growing weed.

Too bad the masses decide all and not logic.
 

As a plant can't control it like something needing to be manufactured $o they milk it one-way or another.

I was taught that drugs were "evil" and struggled with them at a young age, like money being the root of... :rolleyes: but kids who learn proper respect would hardly struggle with such non toxic things.

I live in WA, and find it ironic that I did smoke all those years while it was not legal to do so and, now that it is state-sanctioned, I choose not to smoke. I see the reason for this decision as two-fold:
a) spiritual growth, which probably has something to do with stages of maturity and concommitant changes in priorities
b) the fact that the 'goodness' of the herb has been bred out with its commercialization and emphasis on THC content.

I beleive humans tend to take something once a good natural medicine and turn it into a poison, all for the profit motive.

For the above reasons, I now choose not to smoke.

Whot? No spacecake?
LOL
Melissa

Hi."b)" was a thought tho "a)" to me seems like a two sided coin, one sides always positive and the other,,, until you flip it... ie "spiritual growth" and "maturity" have nothing in common.

I feel hypocrisy and want to control rule as long as we allow "voting" (control may hang in there even longer?) 16 to drive, 18 to KILL, 21 to die and 35 to be the mf president; "facts" and "reality" are different from what we use?!. :banghead:

If you say addiction is a disease, you may not be smart enough to unlearn that?!

Happy trees! :p

Phoenix Arizona was a blast while my brother in law and his friends pumped me full of their medical marijuana while I was visiting. Medical prescriptions are easy to get there I guess.

LOL, well, as long as it's all inthe family :)
Melissa