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fromwin2lin 09-06-2016 09:27 PM

Linux Users for Trump!!!!!
 
Donald Trump we welcome you!!!! You represent what us Linux users love: FREEDOM!!!!! Come on boys! Let's put a stop to crooked Hillary! Protect the First and Second Amendments!!!

gnashley 09-07-2016 12:39 AM

Get a hold of yourself, fellow. Follow that line and you are going to be dragged into a big black chasm.

HMW 09-07-2016 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fromwin2lin
Donald Trump we welcome you!!!! You represent what us Linux users love: FREEDOM!!!!! Come on boys! Let's put a stop to crooked Hillary! Protect the First and Second Amendments!!!

I was about to write something sarcastic, but this transcends sarcasm. I am, in fact, at a loss for words.

Mitt Green 09-07-2016 01:53 AM

Be careful posting this. Linux community is full of lefties that have no tolerance for those who don't agree with them.

HMW 09-07-2016 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitt Green (Post 5601755)
Be careful posting this. Linux community is full of lefties people that have thoughts that have no tolerance for stupidity those who don't agree with them.

Fixed.

hydrurga 09-07-2016 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HMW (Post 5601756)
Fixed.

:D Indeed

rtmistler 09-07-2016 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fromwin2lin (Post 5601682)
Donald Trump we welcome you!!!! You represent what us Linux users love: FREEDOM!!!!! Come on boys! Let's put a stop to crooked Hillary! Protect the First and Second Amendments!!!

I plead the 5th!

Habitual 09-07-2016 08:01 AM

I remember my first beer.

Emerson 09-07-2016 08:26 AM

It is mind-boggling how people ignore serious problems. For instance, Windows 10 users do not care about their privacy, they refuse even to think about it.
Same with US presidency. There is one major problem that dwarfs everything else - and nobody cares. This is the debt. If you had a business and your debt was so great you were in need to borrow more to pay even the interest you would be in deep trouble, right? This is no different for a country. Officially it is what, in range of 19.5 trillion? Considering how Obama government is manipulating statistics and data it probably is considerably bigger. But even if it is only 19.5, which candidate has a plan to deal with it? I know Trump has. If Clinton published her plan to deal with debt I must have missed it.

petelq 09-07-2016 08:59 AM

I bet the political cartoonists would love it if Trump won.

Emerson 09-07-2016 09:06 AM

Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. Slim chance, yes, but the only chance. I do not think he can make America great again. Nobody can.

hydrurga 09-07-2016 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Emerson (Post 5601897)
Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. Slim chance, yes, but the only chance. I do not think he can make America great again. Nobody can.

What is greatness? Power? Economic or military superiority?

Give me a country that cares for its people and people in other nations, respects human rights, provides everyone with opportunities, cares for the environment, fights hard to end poverty, suffering, injustice. That's a country I might consider calling great. There aren't many about... ;)

rokytnji 09-07-2016 09:25 AM

"Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. "

"Linux Users for Trump!!!!!"

Pass the mota bro. I wanna hit.

Edit: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/tru...onomic-speech/

rtmistler 09-07-2016 09:26 AM

I read that about the financial disaster and I wondered, "What?!? Is he going to use his money to make good our debts?"

enorbet 09-07-2016 10:45 AM

At the moment of The Donald's birth he was worth $250,000,000.00 USD likely substantially more than anyone here will ever even see, let alone control, in their entire lifetime. If you make anything under $250,000.00 per year and suppose he will make any changes that will make your life, let alone the whole country, better I must doubt your sanity.

Emerson 09-07-2016 10:55 AM

Bailing, a previous poster was right about leftism on this board.

When $ falls everyone will be hit. Those who could foresee it coming and people like you, who have never understood why capitalism leads to prosperity for everyone and why socialism ends in tears every time it is allowed to last long enough.

Arcane 09-07-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitt Green (Post 5601755)
Be careful posting this. Linux community is full of lefties that have no tolerance for those who don't agree with them.

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Originally Posted by HMW (Post 5601756)
Fixed.

You just prooved his point. People on internet in general forget that they do not know better and that other people have thoughts that not relate to stupidity aswell. I did not mind Trump until he started threaten Europe and use discrimination in his campaign. Who do they think they are? Even Russia does not operate that direction. Not that i say Europe is better but this is not the way any country who claims to be heroic should act.

edit: @Emerson It seems like the bigger the country the bigger illusion of superiority. Heck even Germany today behaves like rest of the Europe are in debt to them. They quickly forgot that Hitler was not german but austrian and details about world wars..

dugan 09-07-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitt Green (Post 5601755)
Be careful posting this. Linux community is full of lefties that have no tolerance for those who don't agree with them.

Might feel that way if you're the kind of person who would post the OP.

Assuming that the OP was even meant in earnest, of course. (I think it was meant as trolling).

fromwin2lin 09-07-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rokytnji (Post 5601909)
"Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. "

"Linux Users for Trump!!!!!"

Pass the mota bro. I wanna hit.

Edit: http://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/tru...onomic-speech/

We Linux users must vote for Trump if we want freedom.

unSpawn 09-07-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fromwin2lin (Post 5601981)
We Linux users must vote for Trump if we want freedom.

Knock knock?
Who Is this?
It's Hilarious.
Hilarious who?
Hilarious Clinton.

Hungry ghost 09-07-2016 04:00 PM

Trump and Linux don't compute in the same sentence ;)

Anyway, between Trump and Clinton it's really really really hard for me to tell who's worse (I don't live in the US, so I don't have to make up my mind)... I'd say, between a consummate war criminal and a big-mouthed fella, well, go for the big-mouthed one.

fromwin2lin 09-07-2016 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by odiseo77 (Post 5602099)
Trump and Linux don't compute in the same sentence ;)

Anyway, between Trump and Clinton it's really really really hard for me to tell who's worse (I don't live in the US, so I don't have to make up my mind)... I'd say, between a consummate war criminal and a big-mouthed fella, well, go for the big-mouthed one.

Trump sure is a big-mouth, but better than a liar/possible traitor.

rokytnji 09-07-2016 05:38 PM

"We Linux users must vote for Trump if we want freedom."

sundialsvcs 09-07-2016 05:38 PM

... and yet, you all continue to cling to the notion that there are only two candidates qualified to be on the ballot.

In fact, there are four.

This notion of "only two (hand-picked ...) candidates" is actually a very new concept in [American] politics. Throughout most of the actual history of the country, there was a plurality of candidates, and most Presidents (or Senators, Representatives, etc.) were elected under such conditions.

For example, Abraham Lincoln won his first term with 39.8% of the vote, among a stable of four candidates.

Therefore: it is not(!) "merely an either/or choice."

frankbell 09-07-2016 06:35 PM

I am active in my local political party of choice and maintain a rather opinionated though quite definitely second-tier blog (which just turned 11, thank you).

I come here for a break, so I refuse to be sucked into this discussion. The only thing I shall say is this: When you cast your vote, vote in the real world. If you don't live in the real world, don't vote.

rokytnji 09-07-2016 07:39 PM

Must be the onset of Winter coming. On a Biker forum I subscribe to. They are bitching about Bruce Springsteen on a sportster motorcycle in vanity fair.
Somehow politics and name calling kick in because Bruce is not right wing enough for some.

Being a desert creature myself. I cannot relate to all the bitterness and hate that seems to roll around during the onset of winter months from the great white north.

Citation is here.

ntubski 09-07-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Emerson (Post 5601883)
But even if it is only 19.5, which candidate has a plan to deal with it? I know Trump has.

Uh, you mean his plan to increase it? http://taxfoundation.org/article/det...ump-s-tax-plan

Quote:

According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would significantly reduce marginal tax rates and the cost of capital, which would lead to an 11 percent higher GDP over the long term provided that the tax cut could be appropriately financed.
[...]

Conclusion

Donald Trump’s tax plan would enact a number of tax reforms that would both lower marginal tax rates on workers and significantly reduce the cost of capital. These changes in the incentives to work and invest would greatly increase the U.S. economy’s size in the long run, leading to higher incomes for taxpayers at all income levels. The plan would also be a large tax cut, which would increase the federal government’s deficit by over $10 trillion, both on a static and dynamic basis.
[...]
Finally, it is worth noting that the Taxes and Growth Model does not take into account the fiscal or economic effects of interest on debt. It also does not require budgets to balance over the long term. It also does not account for the potential macroeconomic effects of any spending cuts that may be required to finance the plan.
Note: this is a relatively optimistic analysis of Trump's plan.

jefro 09-07-2016 08:17 PM

Seems like very election you don't get the person you really want. I always have to pick from the lesser of two evils.

I have no idea why Trump would want to be president. Maybe he does love America and wants to help it. Otherwise I don't know.

Can a president really change what Congress does? Only slightly. There is where you find more than a few crooks.

Someone said that in Detroit Chicago and other cities in the 1900's the power was in the hands of crooks that got things done. I'd prefer a crook that got the streets fixed, schools built, and so on over someone that did nothing.

frankbell 09-07-2016 08:23 PM

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Seems like very election you don't get the person you really want. I always have to pick from the lesser of two evils.
If you are not willing to vote for the lesser of two evils, you shall most certainly get the evil of two lessers.

fido_dogstoyevsky 09-08-2016 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jefro (Post 5602207)
Seems like very election you don't get the person you really want. I always have to pick from the lesser of two evils.

I understood there are going to be four candidates?

Not being from USA, I'm trying to wrap my mind around the idea of not having a preferential voting sysatem.

ondoho 09-08-2016 01:31 AM

'bout debt:
it's a lie!
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=money+crea...nd+global+debt

HMW 09-08-2016 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Arcane (Post 5601969)
You just prooved his point.

Actually, I could care less what you vote for. What I find stupid is this:
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Originally Posted by fromwin2lin (Post 5601682)
Donald Trump we welcome you!!!! You represent what us Linux users love

Nobody can speak for "us Linux users". "We" are all individuals with different backgrounds, goals, beliefs and what-have-you. The only thing "we" have in common is that we like to use GNU/Linux in various forms. One person claiming to speak for the whole GNU/Linux community - especially when it comes to politics - is absurd.

gnashley 09-08-2016 04:03 AM

I heard that in Mexico they are selling Trump pinatas like crazy -nice little vision in my mind.

enorbet 09-08-2016 05:38 AM

Should we start a new poll for speculation on whether or not Trump would allow an employee, colleague, or subsidiary to run Yellow Dog Linux? :D

wpeckham 09-08-2016 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Emerson (Post 5601897)
Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. Slim chance, yes, but the only chance. I do not think he can make America great again. Nobody can.

Because Trump, having CAUSED more financial disasters than any other candidate, KNOWS that game?

I may write in a vote for Trump: for dogcatcher. IT is the only office for which he is qualified.

rtmistler 09-08-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jefro (Post 5602207)
Seems like very election you don't get the person you really want. I always have to pick from the lesser of two evils.

I have no idea why Trump would want to be president. Maybe he does love America and wants to help it. Otherwise I don't know.

Couple of very good points to me.

Yep, it seems to be the lesser evil choice, however many candidates are there.

Same thought about Trump's choices here. He's got tons of money, maybe many years ago the presidency held some power, but lately I see that as the person who is the most trapped due to circumstances in politics.

petelq 09-08-2016 12:49 PM

I can't vote for either being from the UK but I'd be happy if either of them would stop robbing our banks every time the US is short of a few cents.
;)

273 09-08-2016 01:12 PM

Wow, just wow!
You'd vote for a US presidential candidate and hope they would do better for your country? You do realise that, whichever candidate you pick the same comp*nies will pay them for votes?
I'll leave the Trump-bashing to those more used to it. I'm too much of a liberal, libertarian to hold much truck with either controlist government.
Oh, by the way, the whole "left vs right" is rubbish in case you missed the second world war and the fall of the CCCP.

RadicalDreamer 09-12-2016 07:42 AM

I remember reading in the Guardian when it was George W. Bush vs Al Gore. There was an argument that the rest of the world should "choose the form of the destructor." The world is learning to move to western safe havens to avoid being bombed or worse.

I've never voted for President and probably never will until someone runs on ending the Empire.

wpeckham 09-12-2016 07:26 PM

VOTE!
 
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Originally Posted by RadicalDreamer (Post 5604114)
I remember reading in the Guardian when it was George W. Bush vs Al Gore. There was an argument that the rest of the world should "choose the form of the destructor." The world is learning to move to western safe havens to avoid being bombed or worse.

I've never voted for President and probably never will until someone runs on ending the Empire.

But you see, that is what makes you part of the PROBLEM!
You need to get involved in the primary, early enough to influence the platform and candidates, then VOTE for what you have CREATED! Otherwise, you perpetuate the players that got there first and CAUSED the problem.

enorbet 09-12-2016 10:53 PM

If there was zero value in voting, little money and effort by the rich and powerful would go into "discriminating" and rigging at the polls.

RadicalDreamer 09-14-2016 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by wpeckham (Post 5604344)
But you see, that is what makes you part of the PROBLEM!
You need to get involved in the primary, early enough to influence the platform and candidates, then VOTE for what you have CREATED! Otherwise, you perpetuate the players that got there first and CAUSED the problem.

None of the Republican/Democrat candidates appealed to me that much. Bernie likes kill list and Rand betrayed poor o' dad with his neocon talk. I did end up throwing my vote away for Rand because I voted in the primary just to protect a Republican House Rep who the neocons were gunning for. He won his primary by a landslide. The people in his district are either smart or voting for him is a habit. It was the first time I voted. I got a sticker! On my Ballot in Nov. he will be the only one marked probably.

cynwulf 09-14-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Emerson (Post 5601897)
Trump is America's only chance to prevent the financial disaster from happening. Slim chance, yes, but the only chance. I do not think he can make America great again. Nobody can.

It seems like you've fallen for the old "trickle down economics" thing. The economy booming and rich getting richer does not mean that the average person is necessarily better off long term - it's a continual boom and bust scenario, the poor are the losers. If you're not the poor you don't care, if you're the super rich it works superbly for you. What you have when all is said and done is a system which works for the privileged few and is in the pockets of big business. A multi - billionaire will just represent other multi - billionaires and of course, himself.

Trump as POTUS has little power in reality except as commander in chief of the military - the presidential election circus is merely a sideshow to distract the masses and provide love/hate figureheads to aid in that.

Whoever gets in, you still get "The System".

273 09-14-2016 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 5604408)
If there was zero value in voting, little money and effort by the rich and powerful would go into "discriminating" and rigging at the polls.

If there wasn't the advertising, would you be suspicious? I have seen TV in a Soviet Country and nobody in their right mind would believe it nowadays.
Really, with two supposed parties that's already so far from any kind of democracy.


(For balance the UK is as bad, just better with how they play the third vote option)

ondoho 09-14-2016 12:41 PM

what financial disaster?
i'm not the youngest anymore, and i cannot remember the last time the government of any country wasn't lamenting the state of the economy, and how we really need to make amends to turn it around or pull the cart out of the ditch or whatever phrasing you choose... seems to be a good way to "make" politics: tell them how bad everything is, and how only you can make it good again (and at the same time you can tell them that things are actually getting better, although they are really getting worse because you need to take the funds for "rescuing" the country from somewhere). what a farce. and i mean that globally.

enorbet 09-14-2016 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 273 (Post 5605202)
If there wasn't the advertising, would you be suspicious? I have seen TV in a Soviet Country and nobody in their right mind would believe it nowadays.
Really, with two supposed parties that's already so far from any kind of democracy.

While I agree that great sums of money get spent on advertising to sway the vote, that's not what I was writing about, although it certainly counts as a problem. I'm writing about how entire blocks of voters can be stopped from voting through local and state level voter registration discrimination as well as the ago old "dead vote" and all the less than ethical means to maximize what your party gets and minimize what the other party gets.

This has little to do with how much or how little difference there is between parties. The facts are there is some and over time it does matter.

Voting, especially in the primaries, is still the easiest powerful means of change we have while remaining peaceful. Passive resistance can wield some power but primarily the power it wields is swaying the vote. Without the vote it is generally an exercise in futility. The only remaining alternative is revolution and that is a huge step down a very risky path in any modern society.

273 09-14-2016 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 5605231)
This has little to do with how much or how little difference there is between parties. The facts are there is some and over time it does matter.

Of course there's a difference. The people behind them aren't going to present two identical parties (or three in the UK) are they?
What is gained by being under one set of their rules is quickly lost under the other.
"I know, I prefer to vote for Cerberus's second head this year!!!".

enorbet 09-15-2016 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 273 (Post 5605265)
Of course there's a difference. The people behind them aren't going to present two identical parties (or three in the UK) are they?
What is gained by being under one set of their rules is quickly lost under the other.
"I know, I prefer to vote for Cerberus's second head this year!!!".

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss", eh? So does this mean you don't vote? ... and if you don't, aside from noting the injustice of it all, what are the alternatives you think work better?

rokytnji 09-15-2016 10:28 AM

I find certain words selective when the word and charges of "traitor" are applied to people like
Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning but Politicians seem to be immune to such labels and legal
charges.

Most USA voters seem selective also on what they consider a traitor and give a bye to their
preferred politician in office.

I bet if politicians were not immune. The field of running for office may shrink a bit.

Oh well. One can only dream on. Capitalism is a great system. When you have some Capital.

ondoho 09-15-2016 12:26 PM

the term traitor belongs to the military.
in a country that is not at war it doesn't make sense.


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