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jmgibson1981 08-02-2022 04:34 PM

I just can't grasp why people suggest Windows is easier than Linux...
 
Today I got a bright idea. I'd make my gaming easier by going back to Windows and using Linux in a vm. My Linux specific stuff just doesn't need the raw muscle i've got. I installed Windows 10. Copied my files as needed, downloaded and installed what I needed. Sounds simple.

No matter what I did. I tried everything I could google. I spent over 2 hours TRYING to get Minecraft java to use my graphics card. It refused. Countless adjustments, guesswork, googling, reboots... nothing. In Linux of near any distro I usually get 70-80fps on my RX570 and it does it itself, I don't have to screw with ANYTHING to get that. On Windows I was lucky to break 8 fps. According to the task manager it was routing through the iGPU.

2 hours for a game that they provide now through their windows store. 2 hours and it never worked once.

The funniest part to me. The majority of "fixes" involve using something that simply doesn't exist in the OS that I could find. I made sure the guides for for Win 10 and not 11... What they told me to do flat out doesn't exist. Not an option. I'm so confused.

I'm restoring my Arch from Timeshift right now. I'm simply dumbfounded... Once you've gotten to understand a few basic concepts Linux becomes so much simpler and you don't realize that even with the amount of potential customization and settings you can do so many little things are more automated and more user friendly than Microsoft could ever dream of.

The worst part is I paid $120US a few years ago for the privilege of owning the damn thing... One born every minute

rkelsen 08-02-2022 04:56 PM

I just can't grasp why people suggest Windows is easier than Linux...
 
But in Windows you can click stuff.

frankbell 08-02-2022 08:11 PM

Windows is what they are used to, probably what they grew up with.

Linux is not harder, but it's different, and different can seem harder.

kernelhead 08-02-2022 08:22 PM

Well, there doesn't seem to be a standard in the Linux world (200+ distros). With Windows and Mac, things like drivers/peripherals generally are easier to get going.

Example. While the scanner part of my HP LaserJet printer worked for years, with a recent update to Ubuntu 22.04 lts, I can't find any program to make the scanner work. Linux users often have to do more tinkering, like with command lines in terminal, to fix things.

The general public doesn't want to do technical tinkering with the operating system to get things to work. While peripherals and such have become much easier to get working with Linux, one like myself, still needs to do so to get a scanner to work.

Just my opinion....

rkelsen 08-02-2022 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kernelhead (Post 6371479)
With Windows and Mac, things like drivers/peripherals generally are easier to get going.

OP gave an example where this isn't true.
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Originally Posted by kernelhead (Post 6371479)
While the scanner part of my HP LaserJet printer worked for years, with a recent update to Ubuntu 22.04 lts, I can't find any program to make the scanner work.

Have you tried VueScan? Download, extract & run. It should auto-detect every scanner on your local network. https://www.hamrick.com/ I have no affiliation with that company, apart from being a customer who has found that their software makes scanning problems in Linux go away.
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Originally Posted by kernelhead (Post 6371479)
Linux users often have to do more tinkering, like with command lines in terminal, to fix things.

That's an odd statement from someone calling themselves "kernelhead." As a long-time Linux user, I'd make the argument that anyone not comfortable using the command line should probably not be using Linux. Don't get me wrong, I work in the GUI... but when the chips are down I open a terminal.
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Originally Posted by frankbell (Post 6371475)
Windows is what they are used to, probably what they grew up with.

Linux is not harder, but it's different, and different can seem harder.

I'd agree with this. Ego can get in the way of relearning how to do stuff they "already know."

kernelhead 08-03-2022 12:29 AM

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Thanks for your reply. I couldn't get VueScan to detect the scanner either...

p.s. I have another thread open to address my scanner issue (so as to not confuse things in this thread or hijack this thread):
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ts-4175715308/

yancek 08-03-2022 04:34 AM

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The worst part is I paid $120US a few years ago for the privilege of owning the damn thing...
Yet you don't actually own it, but are renting it (through the license) and usually it is only one instance you can install and use.
I agree with the post above that the dominance of microsoft in the home computer market is the reason people use windows, they grew up with it and are familiar with it. I expect someone who has never used a computer would find Linux simpler. I've always wondered why people complain about using a terminal. It simply requires the ability to read/write and the willingness to do so. A recent post asked how user remember all the commands used in Linux. They don't. agaom they know how to read/write and keep files with the various commands.

rkelsen 08-03-2022 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kernelhead (Post 6371505)
Thanks for your reply. I couldn't get VueScan to detect the scanner either...

What were the updates you installed?

mjolnir 08-03-2022 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jmgibson1981 (Post 6371450)
...The funniest part to me. The majority of "fixes" involve using something that simply doesn't exist in the OS that I could find. I made sure the guides for for Win 10 and not 11... What they told me to do flat out doesn't exist. Not an option. I'm so confused. ...

What tool or function "simply doesn't exist?"

rtmistler 08-03-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jmgibson1981 (Post 6371450)
I installed Windows 10.

But it goes up to 11. Plus one. (This is why people spontaneously combust all the time)

The youngest persons are not even learning Windows, they're learning Smartphones.

TenTenths 08-03-2022 09:21 AM

I wrote a blog post on this around 7 years ago Windows & Linux, Sometimes you have to put some effort in to your computing., based on a post on this forum: This Post in this thread.

Many of the points in that thread and blog post are still relevant today.

fatmac 08-03-2022 12:30 PM

Linux (& BSD) give the owner choice - MS Windows & Apple don't - their attitudes are to lock you in! :D

enorbet 08-03-2022 12:39 PM

I always figured some people are driver/mechanics, others are just drivers, and some are just passengers.

rkelsen 08-03-2022 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mjolnir (Post 6371555)
What tool or function "simply doesn't exist?"

The tools (and options and functions and features) available in Windows 10 vary depending upon exactly which version of Windows 10 you have.

According to the Windows 10 wikipedia page, there have been 14 versions of Windows 10 since 2015.

With each of those releases, there is the possibility that an option or function in the instructions you're trying to follow has been changed and therefore something which was there 6 months ago may have been removed.

In addition to that, there are several editions of each version: Home, Pro, Pro S, Pro for workstations, Enterprise, Education, etc. Each of those have different options and features available as well.
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Originally Posted by enorbet (Post 6371624)
I always figured some people are driver/mechanics, others are just drivers, and some are just passengers.

Yeah, absolutely.

There was a saying which I heard from someone who had served in the military a long time ago: "You have to be smarter than your equipment."

I try to stick to that wherever possible.

jmgibson1981 08-03-2022 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mjolnir (Post 6371555)
What tool or function "simply doesn't exist?"

The majority of guides suggested using the graphics settings thing and selecting "universal app" or some such. That wasn't even an option on my screen so I don't know where they got that from. It just didn't exist. Either it doesn't exist or something was seriously screwed with my installation. I tried tracking down the exact javaw.exe and setting that, still nothing.


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