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rob.rice 12-06-2010 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hangdog42 (Post 4182552)
And here is a good article from The Economist


I tend to agree with their conclusion: This isn't going to do what Assange thinks it will do.

the government could not of have done a better job of playing in to Assange's hands than by censoring the web site
first by having the website pulled off Amazon.com
and get this
senator Joe leaberman was on cnn bragging about getting it pulled
I even fallowed a link to wikileaks.ch that lead to a godaddy.com page saying the ownership of wikileaks.ch domain had been revoked
then they got wikileaks pulled off the DNS servers
and
even went so far as to mess with even the routing of most of wikileaks static IP addresses
I don't care what everydns has to say this was the first time that I have even heared of a DDOS attack being dealt with by pulling the IP addresses off of the DNS servers
BUT
even there BS! dose not even come close to explaining why most static IP addresses entered in octet format
were interrupted during net work connection negotiations
DUDE
this is the most worrying aspect of wikileaks is the governments reaction to it
shutting down the free flow of information accessible to the rest of the world is the first step in setting up a totalitarian government
OUR GOVERNMENT JUST DID THAT !!!!

Absolutely nothing in those cables could possibly be worse than government censorship of the inter net

what's next shutting down this and all other linux web sites at the request of MICRO$OFT ?

H_TeXMeX_H 12-07-2010 04:15 AM

To me its seems the gubmint is pushing hard for their goal. I think they did all this for the purpose of inciting revolt, which is what they want, they want civil unrest, so they can unleash the guard dogs.

Hangdog42 12-07-2010 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4183270)
To me its seems the gubmint is pushing hard for their goal. I think they did all this for the purpose of inciting revolt, which is what they want, they want civil unrest, so they can unleash the guard dogs.

Revolting over Wikileaks? Do you actually think that the average joe gives a flying fig about what happens to either Assange or to Wikileaks? The only place there is "unrest" is online and I don't think the gubmint is too worried about either LQ or Slashdot.

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Originally Posted by rob.rice
this is the most worrying aspect of wikileaks is the governments reaction to it
shutting down the free flow of information accessible to the rest of the world is the first step in setting up a totalitarian government
OUR GOVERNMENT JUST DID THAT !!!!

First off, did anyone really expect the government to not react? And second, by publishing boatloads of stuff that is not illegal, immoral or unethical, it was merely secret, Wikileaks has played right into the hands of people who want to censor the Internet. Face it, some things, like the list of critical installations or the identities of Iranian informants, need to be secret. By blindly following the "information wants to be free" crapola, Wikileaks has increased the risk to the US. We want informants in hostile countries and getting the current batch hung isn't going to help find more.

H_TeXMeX_H 12-07-2010 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hangdog42 (Post 4183394)
Revolting over Wikileaks? Do you actually think that the average joe gives a flying fig about what happens to either Assange or to Wikileaks? The only place there is "unrest" is online and I don't think the gubmint is too worried about either LQ or Slashdot.

Um, but this was mentioned on BBC and CNN, many will know. Maybe they're just testing the reactivity of the sheep, will they bleat or will they continue grazing ?

mjolnir 12-07-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Hangdog42 (Post 4183394)
...Face it, some things, like the list of critical installations or the identities of Iranian informants, need to be secret. By blindly following the "information wants to be free" crapola, Wikileaks has increased the risk to the US. We want informants in hostile countries and getting the current batch hung isn't going to help find more.

I agree whole heartedly with you and reed9 : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post4182567

This article purports to to give insight to Wikileaks "editorial philosophy". I can't testify to its accuracy: http://theglobalrealm.com/2010/06/08...-transparency/

"Assange does not recognize the limits that traditional publishers do. Recently, he posted military documents that included the Social Security numbers of soldiers, and in the Bunker I asked him if WikiLeaks’ mission would have been compromised if he had redacted these small bits. He said that some leaks risked harming innocent people—“collateral damage, if you will”—but that he could not weigh the importance of every detail in every document. Perhaps the Social Security numbers would one day be important to researchers investigating wrongdoing, he said; by releasing the information he would allow judgment to occur in the open."

'A year and a half ago, WikiLeaks published the results of an Army test, conducted in 2004, of electromagnetic devices designed to prevent IEDs from being triggered. The document revealed key aspects of how the devices functioned and also showed that they interfered with communication systems used by soldiers—information that an insurgent could exploit. By the time WikiLeaks published the study, the Army had begun to deploy newer technology, but some soldiers were still using the devices. I asked Assange if he would refrain from releasing information that he knew might get someone killed. He said that he had instituted a “harm-minimization policy,” whereby people named in certain documents were contacted before publication, to warn them, but that there were also instances where the members of WikiLeaks might get “blood on our hands.”'

Assange says that Wikileaks is going to release documents from bank-of-whoever soon. I wonder how members of this forum will react if their social security number is released as "collateral damage"?

Hangdog42 12-07-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4183447)
Um, but this was mentioned on BBC and CNN, many will know. Maybe they're just testing the reactivity of the sheep, will they bleat or will they continue grazing ?


At the risk of falling victim to trolling, another possibility is that there is no gubmint conspiracy, Wikileaks actually behaved in a phenomenally irresponsible manner and as a result, very few people actually care what happens to Assange or Wikileaks.

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Originally Posted by mjolnir
Assange does not recognize the limits that traditional publishers do.

And that seems to be the root of the problem. From what I've read, Assange seems to live in this theoretical world where by definition, all secrets are evil, so there must be no secrets at all. That is naive in the extreme. It is also probably no accident that he is tweaking the US, which has a history of just flubbering about leaks, as opposed to tweaking a country like Russia or China who have a history of making nuisances disappear.

H_TeXMeX_H 12-07-2010 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Hangdog42 (Post 4183573)
At the risk of falling victim to trolling, another possibility is that there is no gubmint conspiracy, Wikileaks actually behaved in a phenomenally irresponsible manner and as a result, very few people actually care what happens to Assange or Wikileaks.

But, I thought the justice system was about innocent until proven guilty ... and I don't think you speak for the people, do you ? How do you know they don't care ?

Hangdog42 12-07-2010 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4183580)
But, I thought the justice system was about innocent until proven guilty ... and I don't think you speak for the people, do you ? How do you know they don't care ?


When did I say that I'm speaking for anyone but me? And as for people caring, have you seen any outpouring of support for Assange anywhere besides Slashdot?

H_TeXMeX_H 12-07-2010 10:10 AM

Where else could I see it ? Where is the voice of the people ?

Jeebizz 12-07-2010 10:29 AM

Wikileaks defended by Anonymous hacktivists
 
It looks like Anonymous has taken the cause for wikileaks:

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Taken from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11935539

Internet hacktivists have fired the latest salvo in the Wikileaks infowar.

A group called Anonymous has hit sites that have refused to do business with the controversial whistle-blowing site with a series of distributed denial-of-service attacks.

It mirrors similar attacks aimed at the Wikileaks site.

Targets include the Swiss bank that froze founder Julian Assange's assets and PayPal which has stopped processing donations to Wikileaks.

Anonymous is a loose-knit group of hacktivists, with links to the notorious message board 4chan.

Increased traffic

A member of Anonymous who calls himself Coldblood told the BBC that "multiple things are being done".

"Websites that are bowing down to government pressure have become targets," he said.

"As an organisation we have always taken a strong stance on censorship and freedom of expression on the internet and come out against those who seek to destroy it by any means."

"We feel that Wikileaks has become more than just about leaking of documents, it has become a war ground, the people vs. the government," he said.

So far the denial-of-service attacks (DDoS), which swamp a site with so many requests that it becomes overwhelmed, have failed to take any sites offline although that is not the point of the attack, according to Coldblood.

"The idea is not to wipe them off but to give the companies a wake-up call," he said. "Companies will notice the increase in traffic and an increase in traffic means increase in costs associated with running a website."

DDoS attacks are illegal in many countries, including the UK.

Coldblood admitted that such attacks "may hurt people trying to get to these sites" but said it was "the only effective way to tell these companies that us, the people, are displeased".

Anonymous is also helping to create hundreds of mirror sites for Wikileaks, after its US domain name provider withdrew its services.

"At the last count there were 507 mirrors of Wikileaks," said Coldblood.

Ending contracts

Wikileaks has been hit by a series of denial-of-service attacks, following the release of a quarter of a million US embassy cables.

It is unclear who is behind the attacks but it seems that Wikileaks is getting too hot to handle as many of the businesses that work with the site, distance themselves from it.

On 3 December, domain name provider EveryDNS cut off service, citing the denial-of-service attacks as the reason.

Amazon also ended an agreement to host the site, saying Wikileaks failed to adhere to its terms of service.

It said that Wikileaks was unable to ensure that it "wasn't putting innocent people in jeopardy" by leaking classified documents.

Online payment company, PayPal, has permanently restricted Wikileaks' account, making it harder for supporters to make donations.

MasterCard Worldwide is also choking payments to the site.

The Swiss bank, PostFinance has closed the account of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange.

In all cases, the companies have insisted their decisions are not politically motivated.

PayPal said Wikileaks' account had violated its terms of services.

PostFinance, meanwhile, claimed Assange had provided false information when opening his account.

BitTorrent file

But some have taken a different view.

French internet service provider OVH said it had no plans to end the service it provides to Wikileaks.

"OVH is neither for nor against this site. We neither asked to host this site nor not to host it. Now it's with us, we will fulfil the contract," said OVH managing director Octave Klaba.

"It's neither for the political world nor for OVH to call for or to decide on a site's closure," he added.

French industry minister Eric Besson had called for the site to be shut down, saying France could not host internet sites that "violate the confidentiality of diplomatic relations and put in danger people protected by diplomatic secrecy".

But on 6 December, a French judge declined to force OVH to shut Wikileaks down, saying the case needed further argument.

Wikileaks has amassed some high-profile enemies including Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the US Homeland Security Committee.

He has urged the US government to "use all legal means necessary to shut down Wikileaks before it can do more damage by releasing additional cables".

Dr Joss Wright, a research fellow at the Oxford Internet Institute thinks it could be too late to legislate Wikileaks offline.

"Wikileaks has released an encrypted file containing all of the embassy cables," says Dr Wright. "The information is already out there."

Dozens of copies of that encrypted file have been shared using peer-to-peer networks, such as BitTorrent. "Once the information is there, it's virtually impossible to stop people sharing it," said Dr Wright.

Founder of Wikileaks Julian Assange has been arrested and is due to appear at City of Westminster Magistrates' Court later.

He is accused by the Swedish authorities of sexual assault.

mjolnir 12-07-2010 10:45 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...626335258.html

"Prosecute Assange Under the Espionage Act
Just as the First Amendment is not a license to yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater, it is also not a license to jeopardize national security."

"The law Mr. Assange continues to violate is the Espionage Act of 1917. That law makes it a felony for an unauthorized person to possess or transmit "information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation."

The Espionage Act also makes it a felony to fail to return such materials to the U.S. government. Importantly, the courts have held that "information relating to the national defense" applies to both classified and unclassified material. Each violation is punishable by up to 10 years in prison."

"Mrs. Feinstein, a Democrat, is a U.S. senator from California and chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee."

Jeebizz 12-07-2010 10:48 AM

Well this is getting more and more interesting by the minute:

http://www.justiceforassange.com/

H_TeXMeX_H 12-07-2010 10:51 AM

I still think it was set up. Hacking those places doesn't solve anything, it just makes you look bad. It's all just a play on a stage.

Jeebizz 12-07-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4183684)
It's all just a play on a stage.

Well just sit back and enjoy the show: "All the world's a stage" --Shakespeare

*Grabs some popcorn*

brianL 12-07-2010 11:16 AM

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All the world's a soap opera.
- brianL


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