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Lysander666 08-30-2019 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031316)
I find the Unabomber's assessment of "radical left" and "leftists" to be a bit off... it comes squarely from the popular US perspective of the left as spoken by the "right" - who are the establishment - i.e. the kind of nonsense commonly spouted by individuals like Trump - where "left" is seen a a slur which can be directed at the Democrats or any other target (who are anything but left), at any/every opportunity, for political point scoring.

See the end of my post above, about the difficulties of such definitions.

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031316)
The Unabomber was a big influence for Anders Behring Breivik and it's easy to see why...

Of course some of his actions were reprehensible, there's no doubt whatsoever about that. But a lot of what he says in his paper about technology and its negative influences on modern society are correct, I feel. Many critics from across the political spectrum have cited that work as an excellent piece whilst also condemning his actions. Anyway, we are getting a little off topic here [which I acknowledge is, to an extent, my fault].

fido_dogstoyevsky 08-30-2019 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
...But I get sceptical when they say "...and fix long-standing bugs". Why not contribute to the original project instead (rhetorical Q, don't answer)?...

Actually there is a long standing problem with the GIMP, current developers stating that there's only one acceptable format for saving image files and anybody with a different requirement can go find another image editor. There are work arounds, but they're more or less unsatisfactory. It's something that certainly acts like a bug.

There are some missing features, but I'm confident they'll be added as time goes by.

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
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And a little more sceptical at "experiment with other design directions"...

May be good, may be bad. Hopefully they'll be open minded enough to quickly reverse any bad design choices. But if I have to wait until version 3 to get the changes that I need, I expect to be permanently on Krita by then.

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
...And I get even more sceptical when there's a link to that person that likes to troll people on twitter and github, as proven about a year ago in some other thread here on LQ... ugh, let's not go there anymore...

I don't twitter and rarely go to github - missed all that.

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
...Also, why is it people have to constantly float some personal attributes like they were scout badges?
And why is it that you never see "I am a straight white male with no disabilities to speak of"???...

Maybe in today's society a desire for privacy is counterproductive in the search for political influence, except for "a straight white male with no disabilities to speak of". I'm not blameless myself - I once played the "are you making fun of my ethnic background?" card to shut a loudmouth up.

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
...I don't think this is limited to "the radical left" at all. "Populism" rather comes to mind.

I'm afraid so. It explains what's happening on both wings of politics.

ondoho 08-30-2019 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 6031292)
Also, why is it people have to constantly float some personal attributes like they were scout badges?

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Originally Posted by Lysander666 (Post 6031315)
Because they are using the software as a platform to promote their real agenda, which, in this case, is gay/trans activism.
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it's entirely irrelevant to coding.

Yes, but they're also doing it on e.g. twitter.

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031316)
I find the Unabomber

Oh. Thanks for pointing that out.

cynwulf 08-30-2019 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lysander666 (Post 6031326)
But a lot of what he says in his paper about technology and its negative influences on modern society are correct, I feel.

Any truths in the paper are overshadowed by the usual "lets lump all the gays, trans, feminists, activists, (animal rights included) into one big category and dismiss them as "leftists" " approach...

He makes the conclusion that the comfortable "middle classes", are out protesting on other's behalf on issues which don't directly affect them - this may be true, but that doesn't in itself make their protest illegitimate.

It's just another common "tactic" of the right wing controlled media - i.e. "you have no right to protest, as you're well off and comfortable". It's an old tactic, it works well, especially if the issues are some of those which don't matter one jot to the average working class person with a family to feed - so wrap those all up as "leftists"... and there you have it: "Socialism" is to blame...

What should they do? Donate a few million to a "good cause", to get a nice tax break and not rock the boat?

Lysander666 08-30-2019 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031335)
Any truths in the paper are overshadowed by the usual "lets lump all the gays, trans, feminists, activists, (animal rights included) into one big category and dismiss them as "leftists" " approach...

That's not quite the case, he's talking about activists who don't have a horse in the race other than to promote their own welfare. Clearly one's sexual preferences are not directly related to their political leanings.

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031335)
He makes the conclusion that the comfortable "middle classes", are out protesting on other's behalf on issues which don't directly affect them - this may be true, but that doesn't in itself make their protest illegitimate.

It certainly makes them questionable, but not entirely illegitimate.

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031335)
It's just another common "tactic" of the right wing controlled media - i.e. "you have no right to protest, as you're well off and comfortable". It's an old tactic, it works well, especially if the issues are some of those which don't matter one jot to the average working class person with a family to feed - so wrap those all up as "leftists"... and there you have it: "Socialism" is to blame...

I find it hard to pin him down politically, as unusual as that sounds. In the paper he dismisses the conservatives as "fools" whist also having a go at his definition of the radical left and also being a staunch environmentalist [edit: Wikipedia calls him a green anarchist, whatever that might be, I'll have to read up on it].

Anyway, we are getting way off track here. If anyone wants to 'fork' this thread and start a discussion on the merits/demerits of the man's words and actions, they are free to do so.

jsbjsb001 08-30-2019 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cynwulf (Post 6031335)
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What should they do? Donate a few million to a "good cause", to get a nice tax break and not rock the boat?

Even better if those who are rich aren't paying bugger all tax to begin with. It's the middle class that can't afford top accountants to find the loopholes to avoid as much tax as possible. Even Warren Buffett said his secretary pays more tax than him, how's that work??! Combined with the point you make above, what a joke! And Trump and his hard core supporter base give a rats ass about the poor? The whole thing is an absolute joke. And it's the establishment that drove Trump's supporters away to make them want to support someone like him to begin with - you just can't trust any of them in my book. Keyword: "agenda" ...

jamison20000e 08-30-2019 07:32 AM

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jeremy 08-30-2019 09:57 AM

Closing this thread for what I hope are obvious reasons.

--jeremy


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